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max the dog 05-05-2005 04:57 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 
Hydrostatic shock is overrated. Sure it applies to a .50BMG but not the typical deer caliber to the extent that some think it does. I myself have seen some hunters get so obsesed with accuracy that they will use a tiny varmint bullet on a deer because it gives then an extra 1/2 moa accuracy. I don't see the point, a deer's heart is about 4 to five inches in diameter when filled with blood. If you can't hit that then you need to spend more time on the range. Those tiny varmint bullets don't perform well on deer and I have seen it happen where they won't even penetrate the chest cavity but make a heck of an impressive mess just under the skin. If you've never seen it then congradulation, you're using the right bullet.

CZ2506 05-05-2005 05:03 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 
Ask any archer what penetrates better, a light arrow or a heavy one. The heavy arrow will dig deeper each and every time. The same goes for bullets.
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Then why do so many archers use carbon arrow and overdraws? Because lighter, faster arrows are more accurate.

I don't have the experience of some of you folks, but IMO putting your shot on target (AKA the chest cavity) is just as important as bullet performance. A deer shot through the guts with a freight train is still a gut shot deer. I think any decent bullet that makes it most of the way through the boiler room is going to the job.

Briman 05-05-2005 05:41 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 
I hear that alaskan guides prefer to carry a .243, 25-06, or .270 as a backup gun because the hydrostatic shock of a hypervelocity bullet wll put down a grizzly faster than a 12 guage slug or a 45/70.:D

bigcountry 05-05-2005 06:12 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 

Those tiny varmint bullets don't perform well on deer and I have seen it happen where they won't even penetrate the chest cavity but make a heck of an impressive mess just under the skin. If you've never seen it then congradulation, you're using the right bullet.
What does that have to do with hydrostatic shock and RN?

bigcountry 05-05-2005 06:15 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 

I hear that alaskan guides prefer to carry a .243, 25-06, or .270 as a backup gun because the hydrostatic shock of a hypervelocity bullet wll put down a grizzly faster than a 12 guage slug or a 45/70.
Now, Briman you know your being rediculus. To get hydrostatic shock, you have to penetrate first, then after that, the momentum of a the bullet causes the shock. I have a feeling most here are talking about your whitetail deer. The grizzly your referring too first and foremost is the to reach the vitals and hopefully go thru, quite a bit scenio than a deer, don't you think?

Briman 05-05-2005 06:33 PM

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Bigcountry- you noticed the smiley dintcha?

So you're saying that the whole hydrostatic shock and hypervelocity bullet theory pretty much breaks down when it comes to dangerous game?

James B 05-05-2005 06:35 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 
To get back to your question, RN bullets are just another tool we have to use. Round nose bullets expand readily because of the exposed lead at the point of entry. They work real well in everything that I have tried them in. You loose a little velocity and trajectory but out to 200-250 yards as long as you are sighted in with them, they will fill the freezer as well as a SP.

bigcountry 05-05-2005 08:03 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 

So you're saying that the whole hydrostatic shock and hypervelocity bullet theory pretty much breaks down when it comes to dangerous game?
Well, as not an expert on dangerous game, this is strictly an opinion. My first priority is to penetrate as much as I can, now if I got that down, second, would be penetrate as fast as I can.

Remember when James B brought up the American Rifleman article about a 45-70 in africa and all the sudden he had a rash of people giving him crap.

Slamfire 05-05-2005 10:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: bigcountry

Ok lets get this right? You have shot deer/game/whatever with a big/heavy/hardcast/whatever projectile at a slow speed like 1500fps and then shot one with a say 300weatherby broadsided and didn't see the bloodshot in the cavity while butchering?

If you answer yes, then I you hunt different animals than I do or butcher a totally different way than I do. The lungs are usually melted when shot with a 270 say at close range compared to a slug.
No I'm sayin' that the blood vessels in the brain weren't burst by the hydraulic pressure those marvelous Weatherby velocities were supposed to create. If you shoot 'em in the leg they don't die. If you shoot 'em in the guts they don't die. If you shoot 'em in the heart/lungs they die, but you don't need hydrostatic shock to do that.

Doe Dumper 05-05-2005 10:41 PM

RE: Round Nose Bullets - Who uses them?
 
Hmm..I wonder if I carry a 50 bmg. if they will just die of fear? :D


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