270 WSM
 

Anybody have a rifle in 270 wsm? If so what do you think about the cartridge?

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I am not really into any of the magnum rifles. However the 270 WSM has got my attention. I really like the 270 caliber. I don't have one right now. If I decide to get another 270, I will get the 270 WSM. It has just a slight edge over the old 270. Just enough that I would go that route. If I do it will be the Savage with accu trigger. I really don't need one as I have a 26 in barreled 280 which will sure do anything that any of the 270"s will do and it will handle heavier bullets. This said, I still want a 270 WSM. I wanted the new 25 WSSM for a while but I picked up Ruger 25-06 that is a real tack driver so I quess I will pass on the 25. If I already had a 270 then I would pass on the 270 WSM as well.

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My father recently purchased a .270 WSM. I like the caliber alot and plan to check one out when I can find a new Remington XCR. You are limited to a max 150gr. bullet, so depending what you want to hunt with it this should be considered.

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Yep, a Win Model 70. It seems to like Federal Premium Vital Shoks with 140 gr. Nosler Accubonds. I think these will suffice nicely for my needs.

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I just purchased the Sako 75 synthetic stainless and haven’t had a chance to go to the range with it yet. I chose the 270 WSM because I had a 270 Win and found it to be very nice caliber. Something with less recoil and good for long distance. I’m sure that the 270 WSM with a 150 gr. Barnes Triple Shock bullet should do very well for large game. Mine will be mainly used for deer so I’m considering the 130gr. bullets. This rifle should be perfect for deer hunting in the fields.

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I got a .270wsm Winchester model 70 last year kind of late, but still had the chance to take a couple of bucks with it. I was useing Hornady 130gr. interlocks and took a nice 8 point at 140 yds as he was crossing a logging rd. One shot on the edge of his shoulder and he droped like a rock. The other was a 5 point at 30yds. droped like a rock. This caliber hits them hard. I really like it so far and think it will be here to stay.

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I bought a 270 wsm last year around January. I spent a great deal setting it up. I went with the Winchester Model 70, I think its a Featherweight but not sure. Anyways I put a Leupole rifleman 4-12X on it. I handloaded some 130 grain ballistic silvertips for it and went to the range. While shooting one day at the range I took a shot and was using those targets that are black and then turn green when you hit them. After I shot I didn't know where in the world I hit because I couldn't see a new hole. I then realized I had shot the X out of the center. That was all I needed to know before I took it out hunting. I got an opportunity at my largest deer to date one evening. My first shot I pulled (combo of buck fever and cold temp) The buck stood there so I reloaded, aimed for the shoulder and hit him square, as he wheeled back to go in the corn I took another shot, I also hit him in the opposite shoulder. Even though he was hit with my second shot I wanted to make sure he wouldn't be wounded in the corn so that is why I took the third shot. He made it about 10 yards into the corn and thats where he piled. When I skinned him out both front shoulders were broke and one bullet was just on the inside of the opposite leg. The distance I shot my buck from was approximately 250 yards. This is by far the best shooting gun I have/will own. Everytime I pull up to shoot something I know that my bullet will hit where I aim. I can't speak enough about the 270 wsm. Get one and you will be happy.

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Nice cal. and a good one,especially if you reload!! Its a game stopper and the .277 bulet has great BC&SD/ enjoy it vangunsmith

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Yeah I have to agree. I own a couple .270's seeing as how they are my favorite rifle and bought my dad a browning micro .270 wsm for christmas in 2003. He loves that thing. It's super accurate with a little less recoil and alot lighter than the .270 he's used to.

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Nope my least favorite of the WSM's for sure... 7wsm,300 wsm or maybe the 325 wsm are much better balanced big game rounds

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I agree if you're looking for a big bore rifle for large game. However as far as whitetail goes the .270 has been proven as one of the best around. I have even dropped 400+ pound black bear with mine.

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I hate hearing how the 270 wsm is not a "big game" caliber. Its a matter of knowing your weapon, capability, and your ammo. I don't have any problem reloading a heavy bullet and using it for elk. The 270 wsm is perfectly capable of making a kill, it just takes one good ethical shot. I don't need to nock the thing off its feet. Overall it would make a good rifle for any situation, given the right ammo and shot placement.

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I would like one for deer and antelope I don't think that it could get any better for that.

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I can't wait to try mine out on deer this year!

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I dont think anyone said it wasn't a big game caliber. I think there are better choices out of the other WSM's.

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I realy think the 270 WSM would make a kick a$$ deer/antelope gun,not saying if I was hunting high country mule deer and a bull elk walked out in front of me I would let him walk.If I had a tag he would be steaks.

BBJ

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I bought a savage model 14 in 270wsm. It's a nice rifle, but don't let anyone tell you it has less recoil.

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You know we have to remember that you need to shoot in the right place. I have seen small Deer get lost after being shot with a 300 win mag with a 180gr bullet. If you can take them with a bow and arrow in the Ribs then most any rifle in the right place will do the job. Ever knock one down and then watch it get up and run when you sat your rifle down! ;)

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WHy wouldn't the 270 WSM be a good Big game gun for moose, elk etc. when it has a tad more energy than a 7 mm and is even flatter shooting. It has quite a bit more energy than the 30 06 aswell.

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I would never pick the 7MM WSM over the old 7MM Rem Mag. I wouldn't mind having a 300 WSM but I have five 30 calibers already. The 325 WSM Has me interested. But I would but the 270 WSM and take it elk hunting just to fuel EKM's next 270 topic.:D NO, I wouldn't go as low as the 223WSSM.;)

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I agree with old elk, there are better calibers. My friends, close friends, have lost game to the 270. The bullets were in the pump house. This happened twice to two different friends. Unfortunately there are some cowboys in the woods. My buddy shot at this elk with his 270, hit him in the vitals, not a heart shot, lung shot. The elk ran 100-150 yards all the while getting made into swiss cheese by some long range lobbers. He, buddy, had a difficult walk to the elk and when he got there the dipsticks already had a tag on it. Why bother with two idiots with guns in the middle of nowhere. The shot was 250-300 yards. A bigger caliber he might of had the velocity and power to take the elk out right there.

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Who makes a good lightweight 270wsm

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And I am sure that no one has ever had the same thing happen with a .300 Win Mag, a .338 Win Mag or a .375 H&H. Since there were "two idiots" already there with guns in the middle of nowhere that had also shot the animal, who's to say who put the round into the vitals that put the elk down? Maybe your buddy's shot wasn't where he thought it was. I believe the .270 Winchester Short Magnum, with appropriate loads, is entirely adequate for non dangerous North American game. I am talking about good bullets of at least 140 grains at velocities over 3000 fps. It shoots flat and hits hard to take game out to 300 yards which is certainly as far as most hunters should be attempting to humanely take an animal. My Model 70 Super Shadow shoots the 140 gr Nosler Accubond at a little over 3100 fps with 65.0 gr of Vihtavuori N-165 and a Federal 210 primer, and groups under an inch at 100 yards off a benchrest, (frequently well under an inch for 3 shots). While it does kick a little harder than a standard .270 Win, it feels like less than my old 30-06 lightweight carbine with 180 gr bullets. And I believe most elk guides would much rather see a client with a well worn .270 or 30-06 that they can shoot, than a brand new "Mega Magnum" that he has only sighted in because it is so punishing to shoot.
I haven't had the opportunity to take game yet with my .270WSM, but when I do I will let you know how it worked. Others who have used the .270WSM on elk have only reported very positive results, provided properly constructed bullets were used.

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I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU CANT SHOOT AN ELK ADEQUATELY WITH A 270 OR A 270WSM.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CALIBERS FOR ELK OUT THERE.

The reason he knew he hit the vitals is because there was a lung shot and the other guy shot it and hit it in the spine and then one in the neck once the animal was down. They field dressed the animal and there were three holes. Lungs, my friends shot, Spine, which disabled the animal from moving, idiot shot, and neck, idiot shot. He was there when they field dressed the animal, He hit it in the lungs and bedded the bullet in the opposite shoulder. They shot it in the spine and then finished it in the neck. Pretty cut and dry.

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My point still is that the same thing can and has happened with larger, more potent calibers. I understand your point, and it is true that there are more powerful calibers. I hope you take mine that an adequate caliber that can be shot accurately is better than a boomer shot poorly. And unless all three rounds were recovered from the animal, we still don't know for absolute certain who hit where. Particularly if all shots were all fired at long range.

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Any lung shot animal with any caliber is going down. It would not matter a lung hit by a 375 H&H or a Lung shot with a 243. The damage is going to be the same. Bigger calibers won't kill on a lung shot any faster than a small caliber. I have killed to many to be told otherwise. However if someone needs a bigger caliber they are out there for the buying.

RE: 270 WSM
 

Can someone answer my question? I would think a 270 WSM would be an excellent elk gun, it is more powerful than a 7 mm rem mag and more accurate.

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I would say "yes" and "yes" - by a very small margin. If both guns have comparable barrels and are loaded with 150 grain bullets, the .270 WSM is a little faster and the bullet has a little better sectional density. If you shoot 140's or 130's, the WSM is even faster at about the same sectional density. It also seems to have alittle less recoil to boot - although this is subjective on my part, and not based on any sort of quantitative comparison. Accuracy with either can be very good -but the short fat case w/o a belt would give the WSM the nod in that regards as well - at least on paper. In the field, however, you probably wouldn't notice any difference.

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My own chronograph has shown this to be total B.S.You have been reading too much winchester and browning advertising propaganda.The 7mm remmag has more case capacity and a larger bore and if both are loaded to potential the 7mmremmag will produce more velocity with the same bullet weight and therefore more energy making it more powerful.Even the 7mmwsm falls slightly short of the 7mmremmag in real life.I have chronographed the 270wsm and 7mmremmag myself both with 140gr bullets and the 7mmremmag did develop over 100fps more velocity.
As to the theoretical accuracy advantage that the wsm's supposedly hold,it is purely theoretical.The quality of the barrel,the bedding and the load are far more important than the cartridge where accuracy is concerned.A fellow came to our range and spouted the same nonsense about how his 300wsm was more accurate than the 300win mag and all other full length magnums.When I offered to put my 300ultramag up against his 300wsm for a three shot group he smirked about about it because he did not believe that the much heavier recoiling ,much longer cased 300 ultramag could compete with his short cased much milder recoiling 300wsm.He was quite proud of his group which did measure under 1" but the smirk disappeared after my sub .600" group.I offered to go again and he accepted and managed to shoot a group just over .750" but my second group measuring almost exactly 1/2" really discouraged him.I have also had the pleasure to outshot a few other 300wsm's and a couple of 270wsm's with both my 7mmstw's and 300ultramags and I must admit that I enjoy the looks on the faces of their owners who believed that any wsm is more accurate than any of the longer cased magnums.
Not that the wsm's aren't very good cartridges,because I do believe that they are.It's just that they don't live up to the misleading advertising used by winchester and browning to promote them.

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From my new Lyman manual there is only 93 fps difference between the 270 Win. and the 270 WSM. that with 150 grain bullets. The 7 Mag shoots the same bullet weight 100 fps faster than the 270 WSM. Not enough to make a practicle difference in the field but it certainly fall short of the 7 Mag.

I do think however that it would make a fine elk gun because I have found that the 270 Win. Does just fine on elk. Accuracy has not much to do with the caliber and I don't buy the hype they sell on superior accuracy over the longer actions. Some may be more accurate but some may be less.

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Thanks, stubblejumper I have not been reading "too much propaganda". simply the ballistics tables.

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Ballistic tables using data provided by Browning or Winchester perhaps?Even most shooting magazines and websites use data provided by the manufacturers, so they can be misleading..

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OK - I admit to liking the .270 WSM. The 7MM Rem Mag is a great round as well. But in the same barrel length (22") and at the same pressure; the WSM (or 7MM RSAUM) will develop a little more speed than a 7 Rem Mag due to its shorter, fatter powder column. The case capacity of these two is very close, with a very slight advantage going to the 7 Mag, but not enough to overcome the better efficiency of the WSM case. And as for accuracy, ask any benchrest shooter about short fat cases . . . .

PS: Glad you have such an exceptionally accurate 7 Rem Mag.

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Yes you can use hypothetical data to skew data and the shorter the barrel that you use the more of a disadvantage that it is to the larger capacity cartridge.I personally have not seen any commercially available 7mmremmags with 22" barrels and even if they are available ,they would certainly be a very small minority of the 7mmremmags available.
Lets be realistic here and use the barrel lengths that the rifles chambered in these cartridges are actually sold with.Since Browning and Winchester are the originators of the wsm's and the majority of the rifles in use that are chambered for the wsm's are Winchester or Browning rifles, lets use their data.
The model 70 rifles sold in 270wsm are equipped with 24" barrels and the model 70's sold in 7mmrem mag are equipped with 26" barrels.The a-bolts sold in 270wsm are equipped with 23" barrels while the a-bolts sold in 7mmremmag are equipped with 26" barrels.After all most people are buying rifles chambered for the the wsm's because of their shorter overal lengths and lighter weights. .
Therefore the 7mmremmags not only have a larger case capacity,but they are also usually equipped with longer barrels.The combination of the larger case capacity and longer barrel that allows the 7mmremmag to better utilize the larger case capacity, does result in the 7mmremmag producing more velocity with bullets of equal weight.
The rifles that I chronographed that were chambered for these cartridges were real rifles using real barrel lengths which might explain why my experiences differ from yours.

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You are right. An ADEQUATE well placed caliber is better than a sloppy boomer. Maybe, and that is maybe a same placed boomer would take out that last shoulder and keep him down. Who knows? Nobody, only JC can answer that one.

There were three shots on the elk. My friends first shot, the elk ran with a bubbly blood trail, the spine, the elk dropped and ran in a circle, the third shot close range, the animal was retired.

Can anyone answer this for me: I would like a 270WSM to take on a high muley hunt. I want a LIGHTWEIGHT accurate reliable gun... under 1000.

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Hmmm..if this 270 wsm isnt adequate for the bigger game....how have all those moose and such fell in Europe with the lowly 6.5 swede??? It dont matter what ya have...u put er through the ribs and into the lungs and said animal is gonna go nitey nite.

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After reading through all of the pages, I can not find where someone said the 270 WSM was not adequate for larger game, they just stated that there are better rounds out there for larger game. As for Sweden and moose, the harvest is mostly CALVES, which weigh, what maybe 300 pounds at MOST? It doesn't take much to kill something that weighs 300 lbs and doesn't really know how to survive on its own yet.

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[quote}Can anyone answer this for me: I would like a 270WSM to take on a high muley hunt. I want a LIGHTWEIGHT accurate reliable gun... under 1000.[/quote]

KImber Montana in 270 wsm should be just the ticket. I'm thinking of getting one but can't decide on the caliber. I posted a review from one of the shooting mags but can't remember which one. Do a Kimber search and you should be able to find it. Hope I didn't mess anyone up by actually anwering the question.

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Thanks for the insight...I feel sooo much smarter now...:D

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The Swedes take many full size moose and Elk size animale with the 6.5x55. They would be suprised as hell to find out that they only shoot calf size animals. I have shot a lot of big game animals with the Swedish Mauser but thats a different topic from the 270 WSM Which by the way is an excellent all around big game rifle based just on what its smaller cousin the 270 Win. has done.