FMJ
 

i know the FMJ does not expand when entering or exiting. this weekend i had the chance to shoot a hog with one and there was a huge chunk of flesh missing from the other side. maybe it was the bullet tumbling through the hog but the exit wound was huge. i was very impressed. maybe the distance of the shot had something to do with it.. it was about 30 yards. hit him infront of the shoulder in the neck area. pretty cool.

RE: FMJ
 

Congrads! but the FMJ is deff not a big game bullet if u keep using them im afraid u are going to get more negative results than positive. Good luck getting so more pork!

RE: FMJ
 

i'm probably going to get scolded from many hunters on the forum but we dont eat the hogs we kill. nobody does really. if there not trapped most people just through the carcass in a ditch or just drag them out of the field.

RE: FMJ
 

If ur just going to waste them u should find some hunters who would want some pork and invite them to come in and hunt them so then they would go 2 good use. Wild boar is good eating and look like they would be a blast to hunt i hope to get to hunt them here very soon!

RE: FMJ
 

Curious Dk, why don't ya eat em? Are they that much more gamey than domestic hog where you are at?

RE: FMJ
 

your bullet might have stuck the sholder blade and the bone fragments would have made the exit hole larger.

RE: FMJ
 

Was your .243 buddy using FMJ's also? If not, what bullet was he using?

FMJ is in no way intended to be a hunting bullet. Never was and never will be.

It is designed to wound rather than to kill.

If you do not eat the pigs there are a ton of charaties that will take the meat. Look into "Hunters feeding the Hungry". They will pick up the bill for the processing. All you have to do is drop it off and tell the processor to donate it. Since you are loading it in the truck to dump it in a ditch any way you may as well feed someone with it.

RE: FMJ
 

A FMJ will come apart if it hits a hard enought resistance,and there are plenty of bones in a pigs shoulders. Most of the time a FMJ will ju;st pass throught if it doesn,t hit a bone,but hit one bone and it will bounce all over in the insides. Just a th;ought is it leagal to use a FMJ inf your state? Its not here. I love h;unting and shooting them. vangunsmith

RE: FMJ
 

And you wanted to put down people using a 243 Win? First of all if you aren't going to eat the hogs you have no business shooting them, secondly use the right bullet for the job and it isn't a FMJ genius.

RE: FMJ
 

dkhammer, I am wondering what cartridge and bullet weight you used. Where I go, we have nothing but tasty domestic hogs. I have heard from some shooters that feral hogs taste bad and are not processed; a fact of life in some places. In the years that I reloaded and fired a 222 Rem on a county range, I used to get razzed by conservation officers for owning a "poachers gun." The round had developed a rep for poaching deer.

The old 5.56 nato would break at the cannelure and cause all kinds of wound damage. I can't help but wonder if that might be the case here. In any event, I would skip this configuration if I was trying for pelts.

RE: FMJ
 

first buddy, i wasn't putting down the .243. its a excellent round but not for hogs. second, no i dont eat them, you dont eat a rat when you kill it in a trap do you? these hogs here are a pest. when the game wardens are using helicopters with spotlights to hunt them with fully automatic weapons and leaving the carcasses there due to the hogs being a pest to farmers and ranchers in the area why cant i use a FMJ to kill them. the wardens leave them laying there to rot. a lot of farmers and ranchers are trying to trap them but the hogs are very smart. you might catch them once in a trap but they get wise to it and wont go in. thanks for the reply.

RE: FMJ
 

well bigcountry we have ate some and still do if its a good size. we have found that the smaller sows are better eating. generaly around the 100 lb range. there not that gamey, we have found that the best way is to smoke the whole pig, i'm not sure for how long i'm not the cook. i do all my hunting off the red river in texas. the deer hunting is getting better, passed up on a good 8 pointer this year. the hogs here is whats so fun. there's a never ending supply of them and its legal.

RE: FMJ
 

Most full metal jackets tumble in flesh. The designers deny they did that deliberately, but only the Swiss have taken pains to insure theirs do not tumble in flesh. [X(]

RE: FMJ
 

i was using old military surplus ammo FMJ 147 gr. i know this is not a hunting round per say but if your just hog hunting, they will take the hogs down. i know the FMJ was designed to injure a human rather than kill a human. the military thought it more stratigic to would the enemy than kill him. if an enemy is wounded it will take his buddies to carry him from the battle field. this elliminates two or more enemy fighters. "push on" my commander said. makes since to me.

RE: FMJ
 

If you can't see the difference between a hog and a rat then you are more dense than I thought.

Anyone else having trouble believing this or is it just me?

RE: FMJ
 

i can believe it but i can't understand it, so far the only critter i don't care for eating, that i have killed, are squirrel's and javalina's, but i like wild hog and wouldn't ever leave one in a ditch, if i kill it i eat it, except for coyotes

, from what i've seen and heard this is the best solution, hogs are really a pain and most places that have them don't want them, so trap them out!!!!

RE: FMJ
 

Unfortunatly I believe it. I hear about wardens doing it all the time here in MD or places that deer are so abundent that the hunters for the hungry turn away deer during peak days. Farmers on the eastern shore of MD are real bad to let deer rot. So I can see it with pigs too. Its ashame. I figure if it ain't hurtin me or have a direct impact on me, and I don't eat it, I let animals walk.

RE: FMJ
 

Seems like a good way to start some dieases floating around. Just doesn't seem like sound ecological practice, nor does it seem at all ethical.

RE: FMJ
 

That was my exact thought when I read it.

RE: FMJ
 

[/quote]

Anyone else having trouble believing this or is it just me?
[/quote]

believe it or not, its the truth. if you are having a hard time digesting this stuff i could probably get you several numbers of farmers in the area that will agree with me. this is kinda funny

RE: FMJ
 

From what I'vbe seen with shooting BIG pumpkins with FMJs I would have to disagree. Btween a buddy and me, we put about 20 FMJs from a 30-06 through a large ~50lb pumpkin and couldn't discern any damage until we looked at it. Every bullet left the pumpkin the way it came in- flying straight and true. I'm not going to say that its the same as shooting flesh, as most aniamls don't have 2" of tough rind covering them.

i would nevber use fmjs for hunting.

RE: FMJ
 

I don't see it funny at all and I usually see contraversy very funny with these guys. Its the really dark part of hunting that really hurts the spirit of hunting legal or not. Its all about the kill. Thats it.

It should be handled more responible in texas, but I was hoping common sense and conscience would prefail.

I am not going to say it should be outlawed to mow down animals and let em sit like you do, just a agrivation for us ethical hunters has to put up with and cover up. Kinda like drivers don't want cars to have speed limiters on cars to only go 65 mph max, but we still have to put up with the crap from aggressive drivers and kids.

RE: FMJ
 

i wish the world was perfect, it once was, we can all thank a sly little serpant for the loss of our perfect world.

some ranchers have hard times with prarie dogs. so they open the place to hunters to kill them off. some ranchers poison them off. is that ethical? the prarie dogs are just minding their lives just living but they are a hazard to cattle. i dont know of anyone that eats prarie dogs but they are hazard to cattle, which is a source of income to ranchers. these ranchers would concider them pests. same way with the farmers and hogs. they are pests. if these populations aren't controled they would take over the place. its bad when high school kids in the small town of memphis texas have their ffa show pigs in a pen behind the high school and the wild pigs are breaking in the pens to get to the sows. the town police have killed one boar on the country club golf course, which is in the middle of town, one boar two blocks from the court house.

i dont think its hunting when a person pays thousands of dollars to hunt a high fenced lease. to me thats not hunting or ethical. i have no remorse killing wild pigs and leaving them lay. its time to quite beating this dead horse, we all have our stand on this topic.

RE: FMJ
 

The FMJ will tumble in flesh, reversing from point first to butt first in its path, I recall about after a few inches travel in the body. That's based on Army Medical Corps autopsies. That is also where they found bullets breaking up on the cannelure. I would expect it to do so on any medium sized critter. Nuff said on that.

RE: FMJ
 

Will it do it every time? 1 time out of 10? 1 time out of 100? Like I said, I tested FMJs on solid fruit myself, and the results were less than inspiring. FMJ's did minimal damage- a caliber sized entry and exist hole, that for he most part sealed itself back up, even a remington corelokt bullet would do spectacular damage to fruit, but a FMJ would not.

There is a good reason why its illegal to use FMJs for hunting in most places- they do minimal damage, even if they tumbled, they would still do minimal damage. FMJs are not a hunting bullet, though I can see using them on small animals like coyotes on down.

RE: FMJ
 

-

RE: FMJ
 

Then there is totally relaxed flesh as if you were sleeping, to absoulutely taunt as if you were freezing and shivering all over. Scared might run pretty close to freezing. Those conditions affect the performance of bullets also. I think you'd have to characterize fruit as green or ripe, but never scared :D