stubblejumper....

after my father picked up some 150ge. nosler ballistic tips for his savage scout and getting decent groups at 100yds. ( 1&1/4" )
i was thinkign of going with the nosler ballistic tips. but since most shots are under 75yds since i have found some real nice spots a few revines overlooking swamps.
could this round deflect twice as bad when hitting a twig since it has a plastic like tip?
also how do they hold up for close up shots ( 50yds or less )? i have used the win ballistic tips in the past did the job but like you know i have heard and seen offhand what can happen with them.
also since they seem to " mushroon " up on contact is it worth going to them for shots under these conditions. what grain size should i go with? 165gr. 180gr.? sdince they do expand instantly.

i know my gun might not shoot as good but i will give them a try this weekend.

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If you really give it some thought, bullets with a high ballistic coefficient should deflect less than rn or flat point bullets, not the other way around. A bullet with a higher ballistic coefficient is deflected by wind alot less than a pudgier bullet. If wind causes less deflection, then other objects should cause less deflection also.

The myth that flat nosed bullets are brush busters goes against all logic. A bigger leading edge of a bullet should be more likely to catch on brush rather than pushing it aside or gliding past it like you could imagine a spitzer bullet doing.

The speed of the bullet shouldn't matter a bit when it comes to deflection. A beam of light hitting a mirror will bounce off the mirror in the same manner that a stone thrown by a boy will bounce off the surface of a pond.

In real life, as Otis and many others have pointed out or tested themselves, bullets do not plow through brush, or otherwise have their flight path unaffected by obstacles no matter what the design.







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Quilly don't waste your time with Ballistic tips especially hunting in Maine. Buy a regular soft point bullet and you'll never regret it. Ballistic tips are a lot of Hype.......This is another myth the boat tail bullet...You'll only see a miniscule difference after about 400 yards and if you shoot something close it turns itself inside out. there is only one exception to this rule and that is the Swift Scirroco.

the reason why i ask about hitting branches is because of the plastic tips being deformed or made breaking off? i don't know if it is possible.
as for me using seirra gamekings SPBT's i am using now getting 1.080" groups.i didn't know if it will be a better bullet at 75yds or less and the bullet staying inside the animal dumping all the energy from the bullet inside the deer instead of the gamekings going out the other side.

I used 180 nosler ballistic tips in my 300Ultramag on a whitetail in Canada.It did severe damage but dropped it on the spot.The sirroccos didnt group very well and the noslers grouped .75" at 100.So I would say use whatever shoots the best.

ploopy....

how far was the shot? did the bullet exit the deer? also what do you mean by it being severe? meat loss etc?

Quilly -I have taken two bull moose and two bull elk with 180 gr ballistic tips and three out of four bullets exited with the fourth stopping under the hide after penetrating the bulls chest and offside shoulder.I have also taken over two dozen animals consisting of deer ,pronghorn and bighorn with 100gr ballistic tips out of my 257wby,140gr ballistic tips out of the 7mm-08,7mmrem mag and 7mmstw with the vast majority of bullets exiting with no bullet failures.Not one animal to date has travelled 50 yards after being hit with a ballistic tip with most dropping on the spot or within a yard or two.My velocities are far above what your rifles will develop so I would not worry at all about bullet performance with ballistic tips.In your situation I would try a 165gr ballistic tip.If you place this bullet through the lungs you will get quick clean kills and tracking should not be necessary.

stubblejumper..

do you think since my shots are under 100yds these bullets will cause more damage and cause i deeper wound channel since the velocities?
also what do you think about it if i had to get a shot off in the brush under close qurters? ( i know it will deflect like any bullet ) but since she has a plastic tip do you think it will deform easier or maybe break the tip off?

Quilly-I use only lungshots and meat damage is not a problem.Since your cartridges produce much less velocity I would not worry at all if lung shots are used reguardless of the range.As far as the plastic tips they are harder than lead and do not deform as easily.Even if they were to break off the ullet will deflect no more than a lead tipped bullet.