maybe so

The gun costs money, the clothing, the bullets, the scent killers, everyone costs money. but a good hunt is priceless

GO WITH THE 30-30
THEY R CHEAP, AMMO IS LOW PRICED,
I HAVE BEEN HUNTING DEER FOR 8 YEARS AND I'LD SWEAR BY MINE.
I GOT A MARLIN AND A WINCHESTER THE WINCHESTER IS CUSTOM MADE

Marlin 444 lever action handloaded with 300gr. hornady xpt works well for me.

Take a kid hunting,for they are the future of the sport.

I just got my first deer gun. A 30-30. And I love it. It is perfect for where I hunt (thick woods). There in no perfect gun for everyone. Just one for you.

Guns cause crime, like flies cause garbage.

There is no perfect deer cartridge only the one that is most suited to each persons conditions.I hunt open fields and ranges can be anywhere from 25 yards to over 400 yards.I have settled on the 7mmstw due to these conditions.Many of the cartridges others like such as 30-30,444 and 45-70 would be useless to me due to their range limitations yet they work well at short range in the thick woods.

Ditto what fight4yourguns said.

Brian

Yes whatever works well for you& your conditions would be a good choice Lotsa guns can shoot 25-400 yards well enough. 30/06 & all its off shoots cal to start with.

But i dont think the navy & army etc chose the 45-70.govt because it was a short range brush gun.Believe there where some 1,000 yard shooting compations, comparasons & tests done before it was adapted.
Fly like a brick...its the landing part thats ez.
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Anybody know what the effective range on a 45/70 govt would be on deer size game would be off hand? Not that it wouldnt make a good close up brush gun too... But i think the navy etc chose it for it long range ability to deliver a large bullet & its penatrating ability down range a bit.
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well the 45-70 has been rumored to have killed buffalo out to 1000yards. now that is story it may be real or not i dont know. i believe with those heavy bullets it might take deer out 500yards. but only if you can hit the deer out there. as for off hand? it depends on how well you can shoot


propmahn
you can never have too many guns

Right how well i & my rifle could shoot etc ... not the flatist trejetry etc, as long as it gets there & on target. I belive it could kill buffs at 1,000 yards& more(ez) from those navy test done 100 years or so back. that be old loading data - not like for new high pressure firearms.
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Guns or ppl arnt nessarlly inacurate or no energy just cuz there old right .[;O]