hi i was just whanting some info on muzzle brakes. what do you all know about them? my smith said he costom makes them to the rifle for $180 and it drops recoil by 50% but incresses muzzle blast. i was thinking of putting one on a rifle for my 9yr old son because he cant hadle the recoil of any deer rifle i have but is whanting to go deer hunting.

A good muzzle brake will make a big diffenece in felt recoil.the bad thing is it does direct the muzzle blast back a little and is much louder.I found this sight that sells them
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I have nothing against breaks, most good designs work well. It does increase muzzle blast and noise. I would skip the break and buy your son a gun of his own, maybe a NEF rifle in a smaller caliber, .243 should be managable for him and are reasonable in price. Just my suggestion, either way thanks for passing on the sport to our future! You are a fine American sir.

ya thanks my son doesnt like the recoil of his 410 so i dont know what to do?

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As for as recoil get a limbsaver slip-on recoil pad ,that will help out alot

That is a tough spot then, most states .243 is the min. caliber I believe for deer, someone tell me if I am wrong please. I guess you wouldn't have much of a choice other than the break. The recoil pad will most likely make the pull too long for the youngster. There are several companies that incorperate a recoil reduction system, basically a break and a dead blow type device incorperated into the stock, they claim a major reduction but cost $$. I will find a few and post the links for you. Possibly a semi auto would help but they may be impossible to find in a youth size and still may require the break system if he is so recoil sensative. Best of luck.

usmc thanks for all the help. ya i dont have a lot of money. i tried the recoil pad but the pull was to long on his 410. i thought about cuting the stock down to accomodate for the pad what do you think about that?

Wait till he grows up a little. If he finds the recoil of a .410 too much don't force the issue you could turn him off or scare him with a high powerd rifle. In a few years I would get him a Rem .260 or a 7mm-08 these have plenty of power for deer and are light on the recoil. If you reload you can back them down even further , and still have lots of power for deer. Some things ae worth waiting for.

My son is 8 years old and is pretty small in stature. He shoots an NEF .243 win. I load reduced loads and the recoil is VERY light. 21 grs. of IMR-4198 under a 85 gr speer SP. It gets about 2100 fps and works very well inside 100 yds. (Personal limit) It scored him his first deer this year. No buffer material is needed. Groups of 1 1/2-2 inches normal at 100 yds.

I agree with Big Guy01, give him a couple of years to get used to recoil. If not, you could lose a future hunter/shooter and thats not worth taking a chance on. I was in the same boat as you with my nephew. My dad gave him a Winchester 37A .410 and after shooting it the first time, he wouldn't shoot it anymore. I spent hours and hours in the backyard with him trying to put into his head, "its going to kick ya, but it is not going to kill ya". He finally got it and the next thing I know, he's ready for anything. To me, its a mental thing. Good luck and give it time. If he wants to hunt that bad, he'll come around.