Hornet Man

Some ammo for the 30-30
These are the best articles I know of on the 30-30. They are a joy to read and one should print then out and save them.

Mic McPherson wrote the article “One Hundred years and still going strong.” It is by far one of the most in depth articles I have ever read. His web site is

http://www.levergun.com/main_index.htm

The 30-30 Articles below.


http://www.levergun.com/articles/3030_Rifle.htm

http://www.sixgunner.com/backissues/paco/3030Again.htm

http://www.sixgunner.com/backissues/...030varmint.htm

gopher slayer

the 30 30 should do it but i perfer my 300 win mag she droped a nice black bear for me a couple of years back., the bear was about 200 yards away eating the gut pile of the mouse my budy got earlier. the 300 nocked it right off its feet. i wouldnt be trying this with the 30 30.

ELKampMaster

30-30's may or may not be satisfactory black bear medicene, but that is not the point at hand.

** If you want your good friend to guide you, then follow the "guides" advice.

** If you want to be "bumbling idiots on the hillside", then go by yourself and take what ever firearms tickle your fancy and have a good time.

Otherwise when in Rome do as the Romans do. If you are not willing to take his advice, then don't take his time.

I've already turned down a passel of deer hunters that have never went elk hunting, but want to go elk hunting with us and insist that they will be bringing along their baby deer rifles. When I discuss a "near 30-06 minimum" I've even had them argue with me about it --- like its their god given right or something. NOT! Well, it is their right, just not under the watch of my group and I.

Is the tail going to wag the dog or the dog wag the tail? Your call.

EKM

pyral

Thanks everybody, EKM, might I say that that was fair advice and a view I have not looked at, sometimes I forget to look at things from the other side of the coin.

Hornet Man

I read your post again.
Your friend said that shots would be close at about 50 yards. The 30-30 can do this just fine and even out to 100 yards. Have her use 170 Grain bullets.

Your future spouse knows her rifle and the two are one. She has practiced with it for 1 ½ years! She is ready. Most folks would agree with this. She is familiar with it and has practiced with it. Have you ever seen the movie “Ghost in the Darkness” Remember the scene where Val Kilmer takes another mans rifle he is not familiar with and goes after a lion. Remember what Michael Douglas says to him. He tells him that he should not have changed guns you are unfamiliar with. That happens in real life!

The 30-30 is just fine as you describe in your post. I use the 30-30 for deer and Black bear as do a lot of my friends. And yes, we have shot and killed Black bear with the 30-30. It works.

ELKampMaster

Just curious, how did things pan out with your friend relative to the 30-30 on this trip? Seems like your viewpoint is not without support; however, it seems like it will need a little "selling".

I'm hoping issue won't be left unattended to so as to become a "surprise to be dealt with upon arrival".

BTW, I would not recommend switching rifles "the night before" (Ghost In The Darkness); however, "months in advance" is quite a different story.

Another consideration, has she shot the 45-70 with standard factory loads (the ones that are safe for the 1880's guns)? From what I've been around them, they are way docile.

EKM

DANTHEHUNTER

That is exactly right EKM the remington 45/70 factory loads 405 gr. are about to cowboy load recoil. They still hit hard at 100 yrds tho.