Remmington 700's
 

I have Heard that the remmington Rifles sold at walmart are "second Rate" compared to regular remmington 700's is there any truth to this?

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NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No! Remington isn't going to ruin their reputation selling seconds.Well maybe one exception the Model 710.....Ruger Redhawk

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Ruger Redhawk I think your over rating the 710 I wouldn't even call it a second .IMHO

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Wal-Marts buying power is the reason they can sell them cheaper than most.You can also special order from them.

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they are fine the same gun you would get at a local sporting good store

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halcon, I stand corrected! Your absolutely correct.What was I think of?I appreciate you taking the time to point out my mistake LOL. Ruger Redhawk

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No, Wal-Mart Remingtons are not "second rate" and niether are their Mossbergs, Savages, or Marlins. It is true however that Remington isn't what it used to be.

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Remington ain't what it used to be thanks to being so closely tied to Wal-Mart. And yes they are second rate from them! Marlin was doing this too! Thats a dirty little secret they don't want the public to know! Wal Marts so-called buying power is they DEMAND a lower price!!! So the manufacturer's bring in their best and quickest workers and run a bunch through. They just do a final proof and function test before the gun leaves the plant!!!! But, thier special orders can come from an outside source if they are not a ware-house item. You guys can live in a dream world all you want but it's true!!! This comes from a couple of sources, one used to work for Marlin the other from inside Wal Mart. Plus a local smith gets alot of wal-mart bought guns, for repair of course, that show poor workmanship!!!!

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My kmart remmington shoots great and I saved 200 dollars as well.Kmart and walmart can buy alot from the manufacture and get a discount price from remmington. Saying that the guns are second rate is untrue. If thats the case is an IBM computer sold at walmart different from one sold at best buy? Get real!

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Big Ed we have a local chainstore that is lower priced than Walmart and I know they don't sell seconds .They buy from the same distributor I used to when I was a dealer . You buy on different levels according to your volume . They make thier money on thier accesories not the guns they sell that only gets you in the store .

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The last (and I do mean LAST!) two guns I bought from a Walmart were both defective out of the box. I'm talking serious mechanical defects, that one would think would never get past inspection at the factory. BTW, Walmart won't accept returns on guns. They told me basically, tough s****, send it to the factory...

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halcon,
What I said about Wal Mart is TRUE, this comes from knowing a local gunsmith that gets alot of people in wanting repairs. Ever see a short chambered Rem 700 in 7mm REM Mag? It's scary. As to how I know, I live about 30 min.s from Wal Marts HQ. Does inside info mean anything to you??? What I heard came from a former factory sales rep. for Marlin that had to deal with Wal Mart and also another fellow who purchased firearms for them.

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No matter what urban legend a friend-of-a-friend might tell you, no manufacturer is going to risk its reputation and liability to sell a few more items at a big chain store. Remington isn't going to make unsafe junk on purpose to entry level buyers- it would be suicidal for a business to do so. The rifles sold at Walmart are not top shelf stuff, they have the cheapest stocks and finishes and are aimed at the low budget buyer. You could buy or order the same rifles from a gun dealer if you wanted to though at a higher price.

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Well my best friend's, sister's, cousin's,uncle worked for Marlin and the only thing that you might and I repeat might find at a large chain store is a small blemish on a stock or a slight scratch in a barrel. You guys are making it sound like they are selling unsafe firearms, they're NOT.

Quilly, maybe your problems were due to improper care, three hundred rounds without a problem, then all of a sudden poof its bad????

Edited by - fight4yourguns on 02/13/2002 18:52:15

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bwortman: my opionion to yer question about the rem m700's being "second rate" that you can buy in wal-mart is. The 700's ya buy in wal-mart are great but,,, they are the 700 ADL. I prefer the 700 BDL do to the fact that you can get em in more modern calibers (25-06,,223,,280,,etc...)& when unloading you dont have to eject each shell(work the bolt to get each individual shell out of the gun)to unload it,,,The BDL has a hinged floor plate which opens up with the flick of a finger & 4 shells fall out.To my findings & beliefs the m700 wherever bought is a good shooter.
Have a great day
mike

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Fight4yourguns, Are you sure you got all those people you mentioned in the right order?Are you sure it's not your uncle's, best friends, cousins, sister?Just checking.Wal*Mart doesn't sell inferior guns. Ruger Redhawk

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The simple solution is to support a gun/hunting specific store that is able to provide the hunter/shooter will additional support, answers, & knowledge that everyone inevitably needs.

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when remington or any of the gun manu. build guns they do it in bulk. the same machines cut the recievers and barrels are cut on the same machines. they might cut 2000 barrels for 308 caliber guns. and then say they need 1000 30/06 barrels they chamber them and taper them . they are then assembled. ok 500 will be adl's so that 500 are put togather . of course they know that wallyworld will want so many guns but they cant build wal mart specials. i know they do make limited run guns ,but these are normally for a specific distributor . they are not in any catalog (remington). my problems with remington are that they added this iss. and the finish on floorplates and trigger guards is cheap. it will flake off. i called remington about it and they said they would refinish it for $20. i told the lady that it was a material flaw and she stated that if they did refinish every so called material flaw they would be refinishing alot guns for free. i dont think wal mart remington are second rate. i have a 870 in 20 ga from wal mart and it is as good as any from a distributor.

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OK YOU KNOW IT ALL'S LISTEN UP!!! My comments come from gunsmith's who see the low quality in these guns Wal Mart sells and from people in the FIREARMS industry!!! It ain't no freaking urban legend. I'm not down on Remington either I own 2!!! My last one I purchased used at a local shop and it might have came from Wal Mart too. It shoots fine, many do, BUT there is a higher percentage from Wal Mart do not compared to other sources. YOU ALL better realize the firearms industry is not a hugh profit maker thanks to FED. Laws and Liability Insurance and nearly any gun maker or any vendor; can be influenced by Wal Marts strong-arm business tactics.

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BigEd, ever think you local gunsmith might be blowing smoke up your butt because Wal Mart can sell more guns at a lower price? Sort of a jealousy thing maybe? Or maybe it is the fact that Wal Mart sells so many guns than local shops, so due to the pure law of averages more problems appear to come from Wal Mart guns? Just a thought. The actual fact of the matter is Remington's qaulity control has become crap in the past few years. You are playing russian roulette with a Remington purchased from anywhere.

Edited by - frizzellr on 02/14/2002 16:41:49

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Was thinking of getting a new 700 Rem but may just stay with the old 20 year old gun. It still shoots good and only had to put mag spring in it last year. Better be happy with what I have. Zeak

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frizzler, Not no, but hell no!!! This has not been a recent problem and I have known the gunsmith in question for 17 years and know about his integrity!!!! I deal alot with him because I know he will stand behind a firearm he sells or the work he does. This stuff does not just come from him, but also from people who have WORKED for both Wal Mart and Marlin. Plus Remington was almost purchased BY Wal Mart and they are buying into their quantity over quality mentality!!! Most of the problems are not ones of safety but of fit and finish of parts. If you return a firearm they will just swap it for another and send the defective one back to the manufacturer for exchange/credit. Heck I've also seen a decline in Winchester Ammo since they've started dealing more with Wal Mart. I will no longer buy Super-X .22's, they've gone to crap.

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Quilly, I hope its not a poopy diaper!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

RugerRedhawk, I think I got it right! LOL

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Some say they do some say they don't.I personally don't think so. They would lose to much business selling second rate guns..Wal*Mart is in business to make money, once the word got out their sales would decline.I just can't believe Remington or Wal*mart would take that chance.I would not hesitate a minute buying another rifle or shotgun from them.Ruger Redhawk

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Fight4yourguns, Glad you got it right.We want to keep everything accurate and not confusing.LOL.Not that I was ever confused don't you know?????Ruger Redhawk

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&quot;Always The Lowest Price Always&quot;=&quot;A Sucker Is Born Every Minute&quot;

You guys have to remember how many new shooters are out there. Plus people who buy guns as presents that may know little about firearms. And just think about all those ya hoos that buy a gun/scope package for deer season and sell it afterwards or put it away till next season. Heck the Remington 710 is the ideal Wal-Mart gun!!!! I do need to say if the gun in question is NOT listed in thier order book as a Wal-Mart Warehouse Item, its is not one of the quantity over quality models and will be less likly to give you problems.

Edited by - BigEd on 02/14/2002 21:01:38

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What I said concerning making low quality runs came from a person who worked for Marlin not Remington, but it wouldn't surprize me at all if Remington did the same thing. Also they(Marlin) did this on specific models and for a specific quantity. You may not even have worked there when this type of order was filled. Ask your relatives if they ever knew about a bunch of the better/faster workers being asked to work on a specific production/assembly line to fill an order for Wal-Mart. Why don't some of you guys look at the city/stae I live in. I'm only a 30min. drive from Wal-Mart's Corporate office in Bentonville Ark., I hear this stuff from people that have done bussiness in there. Rationalize away my statments all you want but these gun companies are doing this.` And how have I been led astray I know crappy workmanship when I see it!<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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dang big ed do you work for wal mart? ha ha remington adl synthetics were there cheap line of guns. now they tried to get cheaper with the 710. well for the person thats wants CHEAP thats fine. but when i buy a $ 700 rifle i dont want cheap paint on my alloy floorplate! i dont need a clinton key on my bolt! i still like remington style ,700's, they fit me well. i get to see alot of guns for i work at my friends pawn shop. and buddy we move some guns.we sold several 700's last fall , some never payed much attention to the clinton key some were not happy. i suspect that we wont sell as many next year. ruger seems to be doing better . we stock rugers , the main reason is better quality at a lower cost. even remington shotguns have gone down. people are wanting brownings, benilli,beretta and winchesters. we have several 870's that have been there for 2 years. i think remingtons trying to cut corners to pay for all the b/s lawsuits that have been filed. maybe they will listen to there life blood US and get back to where they used to be.

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Thanks otis and soarkrebel for helping out. Before I sign off this topic for good, if you disagree with me please read all my posts on this topic I'm tired of repeating myself.
Also here's a few makes and models whose reputations I think were hurt by trying to deal with Wal-Mart over the years.
1.Colt-All their revolvers
2.Remington-All their semi-auto .22 rifles
3.Marlin-.22's semi-auto rifles and lever
action centerfire's
4.Winchester-pump shotguns
5.Mossberg-pump shotguns


Edited by - BigEd on 02/15/2002 19:22:59

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Why is Marlin America's favorite rifle maker?
Because they sell inferior products to Wal-Mart on purpose?

Come on!

With all the BS that came out of the Clinton regime, do you actually think these companies would produce second rate products while being under a microscope from anti-gunners and the Clinton groupies? These groups were and still are looking for any reason to go after the gun makers. They are not going to be dumb enough to give them an opening.

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I need to apologize about Marlin their quality has come back up in the last 5 years. I'm NOT saying they do this ALL the time with ALL their models. But they DID do this in the past. Marlin is &quot;Americas Favorite Rifle Maker&quot; because they've been selling guns for 132 years.
As far as giving the anti's some material for further whining, I've only seen one gun that was &quot;un-safe&quot;, a short-chambred Rem 700 in 7mm MAG. Most of the other problems are ones concerning fit and finish of parts, jamming problems, poor blueing, dented/cracked stocks etc.,.
For the most part these are not harmful to the gun industry, just darned annoying to us serious shooters. <img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>
Weatherby??? Oh! No! Not them too!!!!
Well this is my last statment on this one, believe what ya'll wants to. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - BigEd on 02/15/2002 19:25:22

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Would this topic relate to the cheaper line of Weatherby's sold at Wally World? I know for a fact that those are not of the same Weatherby quality as the real ones. This is very interesting. One may not have anything to do with the other.

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I live in &quot;Remington Country&quot; where 80 - 90% of long guns sold are Remingtons. Many of the dealers around here, big and small, will tell you, and often show you examples on the shelf of how Remington quality has gone down hill.

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My next one will probably be a Savage RNZ just because of that<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Mike

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