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RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
 

RA. God man did you not see the smiley faces that indicate we are joking. I certainly don't need a lesson in ballistics. I have never had either of the two here but have had the 300 Win Mag and 300 Weatherby mag and bigger,and was a gun dealer for twenty some years.. We were joking about the magnumites. The wizbangs certainly have thier place, however their place is not at my place.;)

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It's not the lack of performance just the lack of actual gun handling experience in the average hunter to handle a super mag. I had five hunters last year show up with 3 308 warbirds and 2 300 rem ultra's. Out of these five men only two could shoot less than a 4 inch groups at 100 yards. In my opinion there are some hunters that shoot enough to handle the recoil and noise. But most would havebeen better off with a 30-06. Its not the gun problem its a people problem. I owned a 378 weatherby and it could shoot clover leaf groups like any other rifle in the closet but at $4 a shot I found someone who wanted more than I did.

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CO I can appreciate where you come from. Sure the Warbird might not be for the typical newbie but it's certainly not un-managable and it isn't going to leave the unsuspecting shooter in a quivering heap of DNA. I guess I always take it for granted that many youngsters who ask about various guns are just literally EAT UP with guns and hunting like I was at an early age. I know when I was a kid of 12 or so I thought the sun rose and sat on the 300Wby mag and envisioned it rendering the shooter into a spastic coma upon the pins fall. But I went on to grow up in my brothers sporting goods stores and learned the mastery of shooting rifles while on the ROTC Rifle Team when I was in the 9th grade. By the time I graduated high school I preferred and could handle "normal mags" with a high degree of proficiency. IMHO "recoil" is much more percieved between the ears than between the shoulders. My 9 year old could hit me in the shoulder or jaw with MUCH more ferocity than anything south of say a 50BMG so I don't understand all the hoopla around a lil noise and push.

I also understand your frustrations as a guide. I haven't guided out west but have been a turkey/deer guide numerous times in several states for relatives, friends and clients and yes some would do theirselves justice if they traded ALL of their guns for a set of golf clubs. On a lope/mulie hunt last Oct in WY my brother and I's guide was "inquisitive" about our magnums (my Warbird and my brothers 300WSM) until he saw us in action on the range that first afternoon and went on to learn how much shooting and hunting experience we have. LOL after we each took our lopes at over 300yds with ease (mine at 367 while facin us) he laughed and told everyone he was, "crappin in bed with both eyes wide open" (I think that must be some western equivalent too our southern "crappin in tall cotton" :D ). He also told his outifitter that he wasn't working but was being paid to play and hunt with two guys who "could put holes in anything within 500yds". We honestly thought it just un-deserved braggin on us, but there were several cases of other hunters on that hunt who missed animals as close as 20yds!!! :eek:


My motto has always been, "My trigger isn't pulled unless I KNOW I am GOING TO MAKE the shot"
RA

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LOL I guess some folks cant or refuse to see humor. BTW Would you rather we just pumped your ego up for ya? Wait I will just copy and paste some of your posts....:D You wait till i get my guidance system....we'll shoot all day for a nickel a shot!!!:DLighten up man!!! If ya dont wanna do that you can always put us on the ignore list...it aint hard.

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DD after reading your post I rest my case! :eek:

Those of us who choose to shoot SuperMags therefore we have some kind of SuperEgos???

BTW, your suggestions work BOTH ways! ;)
RA

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Well you started and said the superego part..I never said a word about it..lol. If the shoe fits.....As also stated...u say ignoring goes both ways? Well why did ya call me out? Have I ever said anything to you?If I wanna make a joke I will. I will include you in it next time if it makes ya feel better?? Next time you wanna throw names....use someone elses. I would argue with you but you will only drag me DOWN to your level and beat me with experience...:D

Dont bother with such paltry things as myself....thrill us all with more of your amazing exploits Sir!!:DBTW..is that chest getting sore yet?

Have a good one your highness!!!

Dont bother responding to this unless its in pms as I wont be able to see it thanks to the ignore button. God bless technology!!

RE: 30-378 or 308 warbird
 

Is a super magnum more bigger than a regular Magnum? Is there a Super X-Large too? Can your gun whipmy gun. I am toying with the idea of a 45x50BMG Imp War Eagle. My 45-70 kills things but not as dead as they should be. I hate it when that happens.[:@]

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I would love to have a Lazzeroni in .308 warbird, but i just can't afford it, both the rifle and the ammo.....i wish

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You will still never convince me that someone needs a 30 cal that big. I know it has a flatter trajectory, and that it packs more punch at 500 yards, but I don't think that I would ever try a 500 yard shot. In a life or death situation, or in a situation when I'm trying to put down a wounded animal I would take a 500 yard shot. I would like to take a poll of every person here to ask them what their longest shot has ever been on big game. I don't think that I have ever taken a shot over 300 yards. Hey, if you can afford it, and you get off on it, then by all means get the mega 30, but otherwise you will be served much better by a 300winmag in my opinion.