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Try www.grafs.com for the Aetec scope an save $100. I hear nothing but good about them.

About 2.5 years ago I bought 4 of them to put on Savage 10ML-II muzzleloaders. One was bad right out of the box, the other 3 sook to peices with 100 shots. Don't waste your money on any Simmons product.

For the same amount of money, get a Nikon buckmaster. You'll be glad you did.

my brother put a 10 year old simmons on his muzzelloader that used to be on his .22, its holds its zero year to year and even will 150gr change shooting a 300gr bullet. thats about as heavy recoilong you can get in a muzzeloader. i have no idea what the model is but it seems to hold together just fine.

My brother has one on a Marlin 336 in 35 remington, nice black bear gun. He absolutly loves his and it draws great light. I used a Simmons 44mag on a REALLY hard kicking & rem mag, it shook to peices after 3 years,probably 150 rounds, i sent it back to Simmons and they sent me a brand new scope as replacement. I now have had it on my 30-30 for about 4 years and have had no problems. I dont have a prblem with them at all,for the price it is very hard to beat. You may also want to look at the new Tasco 3x9x44/50, a buddy of mine purchased one for his '06 and has been really pleased. Tasco's higher line stuff has alot better quality.

also wanted to post a link http://www.swfa.com/
these people are great and the prices are pretty good

Yep I bought a 3.8-12x44 A/O Aetec from SWFA last week. I think it cost about $170. Its looking good so far.

I've had a couple models of the Simmons. Most of the low ends have been what you pay for them but nothing but good for less on the Aetec and Mag series.

I've had an Aetec on a 300 Ultra Mag for three deer seasons and it still holds its zero. The scope is bright and clear.

Just for kicks I mounted a Simmons 2x32 ProDiamond on my FN FAL today. Its chambered in 308 NATO. Took five shots to get zeroed, then proceeded to run another 195 rounds through her as long as she was out. Still zeroed.

I have a few Simmons scopes and never have had a problem with any of them .