Comparing two different rifles and talking about stock fit to ignore physics doesn't make much sense. Ultimately, because the intelligent answer to a strawman like that is nothing more than a tautology...

Chambered in the same rifle model, with the same stock fit, the cartridge with the lesser recoil will have the lesser recoil.

Using less powder to achieve the same velocity with the same bullet in the same rifle weight and otherwise same stock fit will produce less recoil. It's REALLY that simple. We're throwing less mass out of the front, so we have less recoil out of the back. That's what we achieved when we created the 7-08rem, the 308win, the 9mm Luger, 45acp, 260 rem, etc etc... We had higher capacity, higher powder charge, larger cartridges on the market operating at lower pressures, which we then matched with a smaller cartridge at higher pressure with a daintier appetite. Now we're doing it again with the 80kpsi max pressure standard. Same stuff we've been doing for 150 years...

Fair.

Also, most people don't have the same rifle in multiple chambers to compare Apple to apples.

The question that was asked was would a recoil sensitive shooter notice the difference? And would a seasoned shooter notice the difference?

My answer is still no.

There isn't enough difference for a recoil sensitive shooter to comfortably shoot it if they're already struggling with a 7mag.

And there isn't enough difference to matter to a seasoned shooter.

We're a little off the original topic. But recoil should not be the main selling point of this. As it isn't enough to matter.

Equal performance from a shorter barrel? Barrel life? These might matter.

Also- see post #3. I'm all for it. I'm just not buying that recoil is a big benefit. Too many other factors that impact felt recoil.



- jake

I can generally be accused of being a “seasoned shooter,” and without question, I can perceive the difference between shooting my 30-06 vs. my 308. Same rifle, R700’s, a little lighter for the short action with 2” less barrel, but still notably less recoil than the 30-06. There’s less difference in recoil between those two than a 7 mag and a 7 BC - but I can feel the difference 10grn of powder (remember, this is equivalent to 17.5grn of bullet weight) makes between these two rifles. No, neither are brutal, no, I don’t have any problem shooting either, but one is back on target faster than the other, one moves me less, and the other recoils more.

Getting closer. I don't have the gun yet since, as far as I know, Savage hasn't shipped either of the two models I'm interested in. I've done the "Notify Me" thing on multiple sites and have had a conversation with my hometown gun shop. Nothing so far.

But I do have a scope, mounts and one box of Federal 7 BC in 175 gr Fusion Tipped. I went with an Arken EPL-4 4-16x44 with an MOA reticle and a Wheeler one-piece mount set up for a long action Savage 110. I might regret the scope mount but that's easily changed if it doesn't work out.

Here's the 7 BC beside a .280 Rem in Rem 165 gr Core-Lokt and a .280 Rem in Hornady 139 gr SST Superformance.

I finally got an email notification today from a dealer stating that they have the Savage 110 Timberline in 7 BC, left hand action, model #58324 in stock. I checked several other dealers and a few of those also now have the same gun in stock. Coincidentally, the dealer who emailed me also had the best final price of all the dealers I checked. Order has been placed. Only thing I'm waiting on now is for my local gun shop to email their FFL info to the selling dealer so the gun can be shipped.

I'm sure that rifle will be a good shooter.


- Jake

What is your intended use for the rifle?

Sorry if I missed it previously in the thread.

- Jake

In PA it would probably be for black bear although with the 155 gr load I'm sure it would be good for whitetail as well.

OK, here 'tis. It came in today and I mounted the Arken scope and a sling. I also swapped out the comb insert for a medium height one. The Timberline comes with 5 different height comb inserts and 4 different stock length shims. I haven't shot it yet although I do have three boxes of shells. Hopefully the weather will cooperate and I can do some shooting soon, like maybe tomorrow.

It's certainly no lightweight. With everything mounted, 4 rounds of 175 gr Fusion Tipped in the mag and one for the chamber it came in at 11.065 lbs. And that's with a 20" barrel and no suppressor. Removing the sun shade from the scope was only worth .12 lb (1.92 oz). Whew!