Name any pre-2000 guns you dream of owning...
 

...but still haven't yet been able to come by.

Mine, prefer excellent to mint, or at least fully restore-able as by polishing, rebluing and/or stock refinishing (no damaged markings, deep scratches, cracks, rust, marring or pits, no aftermarket receiver drilling)

1. pre-2000 Mossberg 500 field shotgun, 12 ga., blue

2. Savage Model 99 with round counter, plain non-take-down model in a common deer caliber OR Husqvarna Model 3000 Crown Grade bolt-action rifle (common deer calibers include: .308, .30-06, .300 Savage and .270)

4. Colt Lawman Mark III .357 revolver, 4" barrel, blue

The nicest modern firearms I've ever seen were made from about 1899 through 1979. I consider the 1950's through the 1970's the Golden Age of Guns. When Colt came out with the Series 80, guns have been progressively tanking ever since.

Someone has been googling fireams, picking out a handful and posting like he actually knows what they are. The great pretender!

Nobody believes I'm for real here and I don't know how to prove it. I've owned ALL of the firearms on my wish list at one time. They all got sadly ripped off in a home burglary in 1999. Possibly my scandalous ex-roommate had something to do with it.

I'd suggest adding OT to your ignore list.

-Jake

you do know all of your guns can be had, all you have to do is start doing some online searches and have your wallet ready to buy when you find them
as prices can be a LOT higher than they were yrs ago!
BUt its not really that hard to find any of them guns IMO< if you make a little effort and have the cash to buy when you find them!

as for me?
I don't think there are any guns I have left on a list to own, I pretty much picked up all of them I ever wanted to own over the yrs
I do some what regret selling a few however, but even if I had them now, I still wouldn;t be using them, and the safes are already full of things i don't seem to use anymore as well!
and I am on the flip side of you,
as over the past 5 yrs or so I sold off over 200, trying to thin the herd, just too many to keep , knowing I have zero family members that have any interest in them .
SO figured I'd be better servicing the family I have by selling and leaving them something it seems they would rather have ( MONEY )
I still have plenty left, just maybe more of the one's that have more personal values and likes than many I sold !, and I will never sell them all!
Some the darn family will get stuck with HAHA!

here since I maybe gather you really don't like do any work to find out things on your own?? took me all of about 5 minutes or less to find them all?

LOL

Here is the colt

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101651326

https://www.gunsamerica.com/92755367...ee-Shippin.htm


https://www.gunsamerica.com/94759654...USEDJ28195.htm

savage 99, dig thru till you find one you like, NO shortage of them for sale!


https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...c356_p1_o6.cfm

https://www.gunsamerica.com/s/savage%20model%2099



a OLD Mossberg, NOT the best of shape, but nothing some new stock and a good reblueing cannot make better! as seems your worried about the engraving/stamping of words on it??




https://www.gunauction.com/buy/17116352

Interestingly, the time-corrected price points for most firearm models which have been continuously produced throughout the last several generations have tracked slightly BEHIND inflation, meaning less hours are worked to buy the same firearm today than in past generations. This is ONLY accomplished by reducing manufacturing costs. Skilled labor time investment is being minimized, both by innovative automation of some processes and by reducing high duration labor activities for aesthetic finish.

Demonstrably, many models which CANNOT be more cost efficiently produced, either due to design or by market tolerance for aesthetic of the model, are falling by the wayside. We see this in the levergun market - leverguns require a lot of machining steps, and in general, quite a bit of hand-fitting and tuning. Equally, largely the folks buying leverguns are either wanting a nostalgic piece with clean finishes and nice wood, rather than matte bluing and polymer stocks, OR they’re wanting a modern twist on a fast firing rifle, with upgraded features for adaptability... nobody seems to want a cheap matte blue and polymer levergun which costs $500, not when a bolt action will shoot farther and smaller for $300. So Winchester failed, Marlin has failed multiple times... the days of the $250 leveraction Dirty Thirty on the shelf as a budget friendly option are over... they simply can’t be made at that price point and folks don’t want the version which could be built nearer to that price. Equally, we’ve seen Colt floundering for a few years, discontinuing then reintroducing various models - their raison d’être AR-15’s even - because they weren’t profiting sufficiently on the models, and now ultimately, we’ve seen Colt fail deeply enough to be acquired by CZ. Remington collapsed, Savage became an unfavorable investment (again)... yet Ruger’s stock prices have steadily sustained growth in and out of panic eras as they are continually innovating to reduce manufacturing input costs...

Fine firearms are still out there to be bought, but a buyer has to realize a $200 pricetag in 1975 would be equivalent to $1000 in 2021, so a buyer can’t pretend a $350 budget friendly rifle in 2021 is meant to be the equivalent of a $350 rifle purchased 30+ years ago.

I remember walking into my hometown sporting goods store. Even though I was only about 12 or so not really sure of the year I distinctly remember they older gentleman behind the counter calling me over and saying "look at this. who's going to paying $127 for a handgun"? It was a brand new 6" barreled Colt Python! If I'd have only known now what I know then I would have told him to tell his distributor to get me all he could.
I would love to have one of those, a Colt 1911 Gold Cup, and a M1A to set beside my M1 Garand. I know I can buy any of these and I'm really thinking of the M1A.

The challenge I face is living in SW Oklahoma in a city of about 95K. This is adjacent to Fort Sill, a "bum you-know-what" part of America. I do not want to buy such sought guns online or at any auction. The nearest major cities are Oklahoma City about 100 miles north and Dallas-Fort Worth about 200 miles south. This leaves me gun shows, local pawn/gun shops and Armslist. I'm not in a hurry to find though. I want to inspect each and every gun in person before putting down any money. I don't have the financial resources and time to spend traveling wide in pursuit of the guns. I have all my sought guns listed as Wanted to Buy on Armslist. My Armslist subscription is $6.99 these days. I figure if you live in or near a major metropolitan area, there are going to be many more used guns (and used vehicles and used lawn mowers and used washing machines) in circulation there. If somebody has a primo Colt Lawman or Savage Model 99, it's not apt to be up for sale in the first place. My local gun shop in Lawton is full of present-day plastic/tacticool guns. There was only one wood-stocked long gun in the whole shop. The nearest major gun show is in Tulsa about a 3 hour drive from me. More pre-2000 Mossberg 500 shotguns have been sold than Mothers cookies so there still should be plenty of those in circulation. I would think a Husky Model 3000 Crown Grade rifle to be quite rare these days. Yes, some of the classic guns are getting rare and expensive like 1960's muscle cars and 1950's Chevys and Fords.

well when pen WANTS something, they tend to MAKE the EFFORT to get it
if your NOT willing to make the effort and just hooping on LUCK for someone to see your WANTED add and contact you
you may NEVER get anything your hoping for!
that's a poor way of finding something you want in life! waiting on others to come to you??

if your waiting for a local gun shop to get one in, odds are that is also a low ball deal
as well, dealers tend to pay less for guns than private sales(they have to turn about and sell it)
so most folks that sell guns, DON"T go to gun shops to do so
yes some do, but not very often on guns of value or rare unless , seller doesn't know squat or really needs cash FAST
and gun shops STOCK what sells
they DON"T like to buy inventory that doesn't sell FAST
and due to again, current trends are cheaper plastic low matte finish, or coatings
that's' what sells now and what dealers will continue to stock and sell!

NEXT, your remark of below

If somebody has a primo Colt Lawman or Savage Model 99, it's not apt to be up for sale in the first place
This is also NOT true, as there are always guns for sale, and the prices reflect it

there are countless owners of firearms that see profit as more important than collection of guns!
I personally sold some very prime firearms(over 50) this past few yrs, that were both rare, and highly collectible guns, and they all SOLD FAST, heck I had several that had a LINE of folks wanting!
and I sold them for very fair prices(which was also why so many wanted them)

SO< they again do get sold and do get sold at FAIR prices, but its not like you seeing these every day!\

it TAKES a person to be searching for things and OFTEN as well for them to FIND them, and when they DO find they they have to act FACT and be willing to travel many times to acquire things ONE WANTS!

collectors travel far and wide to buy the things they desire, its part of the game

being stubborn and refusing to travel, will rule out your TIME and odds of finding what YOU want
your choice to do so 100%
but just saying, when one's says they WANT something and it IS out there to be had
the only reason YOU don't have them is YOU!
not because there isn;t any to be had!

also, if your ONLY willing to Go to LARGE gun shows, your decreasing your odds a LOT of finding what you want
many times smaller town shows, have better prices on used guns and many times even more older things than the newer larger shows, that again tend to TAKE to the shows, what typically sells, plastic low costs guns!
they leave the harder to sell older stuff behind in there shops!
you an also walk around guns shows with WANT TOP BUY sign on your back
don;t laugh, I seen it work countless times
same as placing adds in local news papers, or at small town churches that have bulletin boards, and VWF"s
cannot tell you HOW many m-1 's1 M-14, m-1 carbines and GI 45's and like guns I bought by placing adds in VFW's in small towns!
and It ]thought nothing of driving many hours to get them!

mrbb:

I'm on a budget for time and money to spend traveling all over creation. I do have the virtue of patience. Some person just emailed me today about a Colt Lawman he has for sale already from my Armslist WTB listing. I just emailed him or her back to ask him where he is located. There are a number of PAWN shops all over Lawton, Oklahoma and USED firearms is what they often deal in. I did see a Savage 99 listed at a dealer in Oklahoma City and saw the pictures of it on line later last year. I passed it up because of the holes drilled in the receiver for mounting a scope. If the markings were clean and all the gun needed was a re-blue, I might have spent a couple of hours for the round-trip to grab her otherwise. There are millions of Mossberg 500's all over the place and a pre-2000 one is bound to show up at a local pawn sooner or later.

I do have two late-model guns I'm trying sell right now as a matter of fact. Trading out is even possible.

I don't have anything that I need. Those bases are all covered for anything in north America.
My wants have been satisfied to. I bought and sold allot over the last ten years.

There's a few I want back again that I used and sold. But I'm in no hurry to buy them. I want a marlin .45-70 with a 22" barrel. I had an 18" inch one and loved it but wanted the longer barrel so the next one will have that.

I want another model 99 too. I've had a few .300 savages and a .375 Winchester. But sold them off. Eventually I'll get another .300sav.

I would like a classic bolt in .300 savage too. Maybe like a Remington 722 or something similar. Or a model 700 if I found a nice deal on one.

-Jake

I think the email about the Lawman sounds shady. I asked the emailer if he was in Lawton and if not, where is he? The responder said he was an "FFL dealer in the state of Oklahoma" and that he isn't in Lawton but it's not clear from his alphabet-soup email address who he is. I then replied asking for what city he is in. A legitimate dealer, I think, would have replied with his business name, telephone number and full street address.

I've just revised my Armslist WTB listing with the following to make it clear I don't want to drive all over creation:

The less miles I have to travel from Lawton to look at the firearm in person, the better for me, so a local seller is preferred.

legally any handgun sale will have to happen thru a FFL holder, to transfer the gun from seller to new owner(and its NOT a bad idea to do so on long guns too, as it will at least provide you with a legal record of previous owner in case gun ends up being stolen(and there is NO way to check on that before buying)

so before you ever go look at any guns, plan ahead with WHERE you plan to transfer things
a simple transfer fee is many times money well spent for peace of mind seller is WHO they say they are as they will need to provide legal ID at time of transfer to FFL!
background check will ONLY happen on buyer, but at least again there will be an official record of previous owner transferring it to you

as I said, the more restrictions you place on sellers(distance and such) the smaller the pool of possible guns for sale

and keep in mind MANY online sellers with FFL's will allow an inspection before sale too, or the good one;'s do
so, having a GUN shipped to YOUR FFL of choice to inspect before committing to BUY it, can be an option and open a much larger pool of possible guns!
you will have to pay shipping costs most likely, but that isn;'t bad if your considering a possible BUY , as before you get to that point I would think you have seen many pictures making it out to be what you want and or darn close to things !

Here in Oklahoma, private sales of guns between non-FLL holders is legal without background checks. There is no such federal requirement either. If I sell a gun to a private individual I have then sign a bill of sale and have a valid DL number stating they are not prohibited from receiving a firearm and keep that in my records for my protection. I would never KNOWINGLY receive a stolen gun. In 2017, I bought a used Remington shotgun in Idaho from a private seller off Armslist. He had me sign the same sort of thing with a picture ID.

A private sales "loophole" still largely exists in America in many states still, not that I believe even just one NICS check ever saved one single innocent life. Virtually all guns involved in mass shootings passed background checks as they were transferred through FFLs.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state...s-in-oklahoma/

Nonsense! Handgun sales must go through a FFL in all 50 states.

Sources on this please?

Background Checks on All Gun Sales | Everytown | Everytown

:lolabove:

:rolleye0011:

:confused:

:nonono2:

-Jake

They are incorrect. Just because Pennsylvania requires it doesn't mean anything. I buy and sell privately in Ohio all the time. No FFL required.

-Jake

No FFL’s for private sales in Kansas. Person to person, private property is private, cash and carry.

just because its NOT required doesn't mean you cannot still do it
and it will offer again a level of HIGHER protection from you
as there is NO way of knowing if a gun was stolen when your buying it
its a fact
as a FFL holder and gun store owner, I have unknowing bought several guns that ended up being stolen(typically ONLY found out when a gun was either used in a crime, or for mine, when a military person was registering them on base where they did serial number checks on them
FFL dealers do NOT have the ability to check to see if a gun is stolen )
and once there discovered stole, you can be OUT all the $$ you paid, your hand writer or like paper bill of sale, won't really stand up in court, as you do not have the same protection and proof of OWNERSHIP as when a FFL does a background check at time of sale!@
its just an added layer of protection for BUYER
you will still loose the gun, and have to sue to get your $$ back,

but again, its a thought maybe you should consider, all the more so in a state that doesn't require it
do as you wish, but its a GOOD idea from my view to have a transfer thru a FFL< even if NOT required, the added peace of mind is worth the costs IMO!
all the more so in today's wold!
where there are so many anti gun folks looking for things to make a fuss about!

food for thought, but something I recommend anymore when buying hand guns at least!

Stand corrected

The fact you just used the words “private sale loophole” is indicative that - even if we were neighbors or coworkers, there’s not a chance in he11 we’d be friends...

Agreed. Although in this case I don't think he has a desire to close said "loophole" but rather a lack of knowledge on appropriate terms. Just guessing from other things he's posted.

But I could be wrong.

-Jake

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We're all allowed to be wrong from time to time.

As long as we don't abuse the privilege it's usually ok. :party0005:

-Jake