Best all around optics setup
 

In the past every time iv bought a gun it was for one specific purpose. My tc triumph for deer hunting ie omega bdc 3-9 to 9 zoom. Glocks for carry 10/22 mainly plinking. Shotgun for turkey. My ar is alittle different. I want to target shoot both long range (as far out as I and it can shoot) and kinda mid range fun shooting and like target transition between say 2 or 3 targets verying ranges. Then mainly for hog hunting.
Im unsure of how I want to set up the optics/ sights. Right now its a flat top with the normal fixed gas block/front site. Im thinkin.
1. Flip up iron sights for mid range target shooting and like a 3-9 zoom scope. Doing this I would need to remove the scope to use the iron sights.
2 the 3-9 power for hunting/ long range target practice. then a simple scope with a wide view with like a 2-5 power zoom for close range. Since I would need to remove a scope to use the iron sights anyway.
3 find one to fit all my needs. Is there a scope that will do that.

Also what scope would you recommend for said uses. Im open on price not gonna buy a tasco walmart pos but dont wonna sink a grand on a scope. For long range I dont have a problem with say 300-500 if need be. Id like to get one thats good with turrets if possible for my price.
So what you all recommend.

Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm... All of the close range FOV that you need for short range work, but still enough zoom to get you to 1,000yrds. Good resolution, respectable tracking, good clarity, and great light transmission. Only has 50MOA of adjustment, so you'll need an angled base to get max range out of your 223rem AR (not uncommonly short, actually more adjustment than many scopes in its class - I'm just spoiled by Leup's with 94MOA elevation).

Personal opinion from me would be that if you have a 2-5x or 2-7x and a 3-9x for the same rifle, you wasted your money. The difference in 2x vs 3x FOV for short range work is almost nothing, especially considering many of the 2-7x or 2-5x scopes are smaller objectives like 32mm, whereas a 3-9x50mm with a 30mm body can have nearly the same FOV but even better light transmission. If you're really looking for a double scope set up, with the option for folding iron sights (which makes for a heck of a lot of investment into one rig, considering the money troubles you've described in the past, AND a heck of a lot of gear to haul around), then I'd look at either a 3-9x or 3.5-10x50 or 56mm 30mm body short to mid range scope, maybe even a 4-16x, or less likely, a 2-7x, then a 5.5-20x50mm or 6-24x50mm scope for the longer range work.

But... For the money, you'll get more versatility and a better scope by going with the Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm Elite.

I like your idea of the 4.5-30. God I had no idea they had one that was 4-30 power. I agree two scopes is a big investment likely causing me to go with two mid quality scopes vs one good one. I think ur idea is likely the right idea. do they make a bdc scope for ars. I loved it on my muzzleloader.

Nikon has at scopes

http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/N...2-BDC-600.html
http://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en/N...MSR/index.page

why a 30x on a 16" barreled AR? your max range will be around what 350 yards? I use a 20x for ranges beyond 1K.
RR

Im thinkin the nikon above might be the way to go. The 2-14 power or maybe it was 4-14. I had a nikon omega bdc on my muzzleloader and that thing never let me down

my choice for a medium/short range scope
not cheap but not excessive
http://swfa.com/Leupold-25-8x36-Mark...ope-P5931.aspx
RR

I would guess that a 3X-9X has been the most purchased scope over the past decade.

More often, for it's versatility.


I have a 20" barrel on my AR and expect shots beyond 300 yards.

I went with a 4X-16X 44MM


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I would agree I went with a 3-9 nikon on my muzzy. Think imma go 4-14. Go ahead with flip up iron sights should I want to use them for target shooting or close range hunting. Ik when we had our bushmaster ars I could hit spent brass at nearly 100 yards with em. I want to get into longer range slower more precise shooting and away from the 30-70 yard dumbin ammo amd cash down range as fast as I can shoot its no challange for me anymore. Sure its a 16 inch barrel its not gonna be a tac driver at 1000 yards but itll help me reach out pass my max range and work on my skills till I get a rem 700

Bushnell 3-9x40. with weaver mounts and rings. that setup never fails

Im going to get a rem 700 in 3006 or a 308 ar for hunting down the road prob the 700 since I got the ar15 now. I loved the bdc scope on my triumph muzzleloader what do you guys think bout bdc scopes for rifles. If I buy a 223 bdc scope I wont be able to use it on the remington ofcourse thats another reason to buy a new scope then. So what would you do bdc or no

I won't buy load-calibrated bdc scopes. My personal opinion is that this current fad is one of the worst occurrences in marksmanship history, as it makes shooters THINK that they're doing something to improve their accuracy, but are actually being falsely mislead. The unavoidable truth to BDC scopes is that they are only applicable for one ballistic coefficient at one velocity under one set of atmospheric conditions. Pick a different bullet weight, have the wrong barrel length (different velocity), or change your altitude and your calibrations for drop are all out the window. So a "223" scope might be relevant for a 55grn pill, but not a 45grn varmint bullet or a 75grn long range killer, OR it might be relevant for a 20" barrel, but not for a 16". Or consider that shooting coyotes in KS at 1220ft elevation in the fall at 80degrees and high humidity has a VERY different trajectory than the SAME LOAD calling coyotes in the foothills outside of Colorado springs in the winter when it's 20degrees out at noon... Even if I correct my zero, the trajectory calibrations in the reticle aren't the same ranges as they were at home.

For someone that seems to move around a lot like yourself, a BDC reticle would be even less advisable, in my opinion.

That said, non-load-calibrated BDC reticles like Mil-Dot or MOAR reticles are fantastic investments. The marks will correlate to different ranges just as much as a BDC reticle, won't have as much "junk" in your FOV, and will have more gradation to adapt windage and elevation hold over into the same solution. Make up a range card for different temps and altitude density and you'll be FAR better off with a Mil-Dot or MOAR type graduated reticle than you will with a BDC style reticle.

Here is the BDC reticle I use, but I don't shoot out to 1,000 yards;

http://www.burrisoptics.com/pdf/BALLPLEX.pdf

Burris includes a "card" for different calibers and different bullet weights (gives a close approximation for hold overs) - I tape the card on the inside cover of the corresponding ammo box.

I use their Signature Select 4X-16X 44MM BDC illuminated reticle scopes on all my rifles (always the same sight picture no matter what gun I have in my hands).

Ultimately, I still need to verify the point of impact (POI) using "that" gun with "that" bullet holding on each line below the cross hair.


One exception: I use a 6X-24X 44MM with a Mil-Dot reticle on my .204 varmint gun.


Bottom line - works for me !

NM48 laid it all out pretty well. I'm not a fan of BDC reticles, either - and for pretty much the same reasons.

I tried - and still have - a couple of Burris FFIIs with the "Ballistic Plex" reticle (one of them a "Ballistic Mil-Dot", but the values for each subtension were so far off that I punched my chrono'ed data through LoadBase 3.0 Mobile and printed a new chart for each. And because they're dependent upon the environmentals being identical to those in effect the day I chrono'ed the load, any changes bring shifts in impact. They're okay, but prairie dogs and coyotes (rifles are a .223 and a .22-250) don't tend to line themselves up on the ranges indicated on my updated reticle charts anyway, so there's always some hold over or under involved. So, I generally don't bother. At most of the ranges I'm shooting at, holding just below a coyote's back or a prairie dog's head is almost always going to put them down.

I do agree u have to shoot the right load and bullet. When I bought my tv triumph I had been planning on a tc omega with the nikon omega bdc scope. It was setup with a 250 grain shockwave with 150 grains of 777 out the omega. When I decided on the triumph I decided no bdc. I called nikon about a diff scope. They told me the omega and the triumph used basically the same barrel and in test the triumph was dead on with the bdc marks. A local gunshop/baitshop owner said it would never be dead on at 250 a waste of money. I think he was pissef I didnt buy it from him. He wsnted 625 for the muzzy 425for the scope. I got it online from a shop in Michigan for 750 scope mounted to my door. That year I shot my first deer ranged at 254 yards with a dead on heart shot having never fired pass 150 yards. But I was slave to the 250 grain shockwave and 150 grains of powder which me and my muzzleloader loved but I want options with my rifle