Papaholmz,

If you think a Lexus is the best car then anything we say about guns won't matter.

I was in a similar dilemma last fall when looking around. A gunsmith friend of mine told me to look at Tikka & Weatherby Vanguard 2 also. I have 2 Win. Mod 70s & love both of them but wanted something different. The Rem. 700s I held felt cheap, not like my 10 y.o. 700 BDL. The Vanguard 2 felt surprisingly good for a ~$600 (if I remember correctly) rifle. I had heard their quality control went downhill but I haven't shot a new one, so can't comment on that, but can tell you the bolt didn't fell as good as the one I've got.

I like the vanguard looking for one in 240 wby to go with my 300 why. the mark 5 issue nice the best factory accurate rifle I own in 257 wby. hard to beat the rem 700 look at the ruger 77 also.

This paragraph about sum it up, with the first sentence being the most important.

The 4 rifles you listed are all good guns. It's what you like best.

Touché.

I don't think it's the best car, I think it's a nice luxury car, which is what I think of a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe, a nice luxurious gun.

In either case, I'm now considering the Model 70 and a Howa 1500 based on all the feedback. Thanks all!

If you do go the M70 route I would definitely make sure that it is one of the newest production models - not the one made in Conn. I have a newer one and like it very much other than a slightly rough barrel. The ones made before they closed the old plant were not made as well (I have one of those as well).

Odd that you eliminated the M700, but to each his own. Good luck.

PapaHolmz:

check out the rifles @ www.gunsinternational.com www.gunbroker.com www.gunsamerica.com www.gunbroker.com I would go with a Winchester Model 70 Ultimate Shadow in a .270 WSM. I purchased a Model 70 Featherweight Deluxe in .270 WSM, and it is really nice. The .270 WSM gives me a little more power than the .270 Win., and that comes in handy. Good Luck.

I wouldn't consider ANY of the cheap Rems! :s6: MUCH better guns in sub $500 price ranges available by Ruger & Savage than Rem. Now the mid & upper line Rems ARE a little better guns! Sadly the Wins are about as hit/miss as the Rems. I'd recommend the Browning Stainless Stalker over ANY of the sub-$1k Rems & Wins!

That being said, of the guns you listed I'd take the Vanguard EVERYDAY & twice on Sunday! :rock:

Yes. Don't go cheap! You will regret.
700 BDL stainless 270win

And that's what I finally ended up going with. It's shipping to my local FFL dealer this coming week; can't wait to get it!

Now it's time to start looking for a scope.