222 rem
12-19-2013, 06:39 PM
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Typical Buck
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222 rem
Why has almost every gun maker stoped making a 222 remington? My opinion is the 222 is more acculet then the 223. All the 222 I shot seem to shot a lot better then the 223. I have two 222 and two 223. I use the 222 why more then the 223. One 222 is a rem 788, the other a savage 24 12/222. The 223 is a handie rifle farming with bull barrel. The other a valmet 12/223. The savage is my main turkey gun the valmet is my dad's. He always says he wished it was a 222.
12-20-2013, 06:34 AM
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Biggest issue for the 222rem is that the 223rem exists. The .223rem is more efficient, faster speeds with the same powder charge, and more velocity potential at the top end. 223 is the most readily available centerfire rifle cartridge. How is the 222rem supposed to compete?
Assuming this is supposed to read that your opinion is that the 222 is more ACCURATE than the 223rem, I'd say that your opinion is not the common one on this topic. The 222rem was known for accuracy, but there's no reason for it to be more accurate than the 223rem, no proof historically that it is so, and frankly, a lot of evidence to the contrary.
Just a fact of life, it was improved and replaced. Ford doesn't make the '91 F-150 anymore, even though it was a great truck. They still make parts for it though, to keep those of us rolling that HAVE ONE. Ammo makers have a small market in us owners-of-old rifles that still like the 222, so they supply a trickle of ammo to keep us going, but the market won't support new factory rifles in 222. Put 5 rifles chambered in 222 on the rack at a shop beside a SINGLE 223rem and my money says you'll sell that 223rem before one of those 222's move. Put 5 of them on the rack, and my money says someone comes in and asks "do you have it in 223rem instead?" before any of them sell.
12-20-2013, 06:55 AM
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I live 25 miles from a basspro and they have 222rem on the self every time I go in there. They have remington and Winchester. They're a couple of local sporting good stores that are around wv were I am from that also carry a lot of 222 ammo. I wished I had a couple more guns in 222. My dad's uncle properly killed at lest 100 deer and 50 plus turkeys with his savage 340 in 222. I also think it is a better turkey gun also it doesn't seem to rate up turkeys as much as a 223. Savage makes the model 25 in 222. But I never seen one in person.
12-20-2013, 07:18 AM
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Biggest issue for the 222rem is that the 223rem exists. The .223rem is more efficient, faster speeds with the same powder charge, and more velocity potential at the top end.
The 222rem was known for accuracy, but there's no reason for it to be more accurate than the 223rem, no proof historically that it is so, and frankly, a lot of evidence to the contrary.
The 222rem was known for accuracy, but there's no reason for it to be more accurate than the 223rem, no proof historically that it is so, and frankly, a lot of evidence to the contrary.
However, as to "faster speed with the same powder charge", I believe that this statement is not correct. I also don't believe that there is "evidence to the contrary" that shows that the .223 is the more accurate cartridge.
It is quite possible that they both have the same accuracy potential.
I do still see rifles chambered in the old Triple Deuce at BR matches occasionally, and sometimes they win. It is mostly nostalgia for guys to shoot the .222 in matches (my first BR rifle was chambered in .222). Mostly I see the PPC chambering these days and I don't remember anyone showing up at a match with a .223.
12-20-2013, 07:39 AM
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No offense intended, but that is an oddball cartridge that is nearly identical to the .223. It really never caught on and most people (including rifle and ammo manufacturers) would consider it obsolete.