This forum will not have a future if it keeps its course.
 

I am going to start this as a fresh post.

This forum will not have a future if it keeps its course.
I have been a forum moderator long enough on several other forums to know why a few members on this particular forum are having issues and why threads always get a hostile tone and spiral out of control yet the same exact topics play out constructively and with a happy tone on other forums. If you cant keep a forum inviting and friendly, you will never keep new visitors. New topics will never get to be freely brought up for fear of being bullied. At that point when a forum gets territorial and unfriendly, they are in a death spiral. This pertains to this forum in general and not anyone particular thread.

Constructive suggestions:
You might want to step back and look at a idea or thread content from different angles so you don't insist the logic doesn't work because its not how you interpreting the meaning of the thread. Its your obligation to try to understand the topic and theme the Original Poster started. You don't have to be right all the time and you don't have to agree with the logic presented. Express you opinion and move on. If you don't agree with the topics logic, then just say I don't agree with you and move on to another thread.:party0005:

mystro, I totally agree with you. we are suppost to be sportsmen here and should try to help one another. no one should put someone down if they think a question stupid. I was always told that a question isn't stupid if you don't know the answer.

Its no longer a forum, its a money making business, so there is no longer a right or wrong it must stay politicly correct. going the same way as other forums that I have been a member of in the past.
In the future the people who have been there done it, will be overruled by popular opinion then all that will be left is folks who don't know enough to know they just don't know will be posting incomplete or incorrect info passing it as gosphel. have at it
RR

Because that's not elitist garbage at all....

Our friend Mystro isn't asking questions. He's making statements that he feels are 'educating' the rest of the users, by presenting cherry picked information to suit his own agenda.

Since I started using this forum in the 90's, we've seen a lot of 'lost souls' come through this forum, asking what some might call "stupid questions" simply because they don't know any better. Usually people that ask questions are looking to learn, so it has rarely EVER been the case that these people were met with hostility of any kind.

When someone presents false information and jumps up on their own soapbox, that's a very different story.

So says you, self-appointed keeper of all wisdom. Okay, so here it is - I agree with very little of what you've posted in the past. But I'm not going to let it go at that, because what's left is the opportunity for someone who is curious about the topic to be led down the path of your BS.

Let's be very clear here - you aren't posting questions here, you're making statements. Don't attempt to suggest that you're being beaten up because someone thought your question was stupid, or try to garner support from others by implying that you're being picked on.

If someone truly does have a question - and there are a number of contemporary examples of that still active on this board, then be open to all the suggestions you're going to get. If you come here looking for affirmation that something you've done was wise when it wasn't, don't be surprised what you get.

From what I've seen of you so far, your posts have provided little knowledge of value:

- A high-quality, light-profile barrel will shoot as well as a standard-quality heavy barrel. True, but compare high-quality to high-quality, and the equation changes completely and your statement is no longer so true.

- Commercial .270 ammunition can now be had which performs to the level it previously took a magnum to reach. True. However, the same knowledge or technology which makes that possible also makes it possible for the magnum cartridges to perform better than they ever did as well.

You like to tailor (yes, "cherry-pick") your facts to suit your argument, and you're pretty dang free with contriving an argument. You're pretty dang arrogant as well inferring that a thread you start somehow belongs to you.

You want to be a Moderator here? It's so unfriendly and you've done so much to improve that (sarcasm intended). I know of a couple other forums as well that had you made the statements here that you did there you'd be listening to the crickets chirp - they wouldn't even bother responding other than maybe an "lol."

Well said. +1

This thread is now locked. Mystro, you have a PM in your inbox.
CalHunter
Moderator

I'm going to reopen this thread now after I post the below comments which are not aimed at anybody specifically but are aimed (no pun intended) at everybody in general.

First things first. The fate of this forum is solely dependent on the decisions of HNI administrators and, ultimately, the company that now owns HNI. None of the members or mods get to make that decision. Each of you (and I as well) can make suggestions or recommendations but HNI admin will end up making a business decision that is based on this forum (and all of the others) being profitable.

Now in a philosophical sense, Mystro does have a point in that the forum will definitely go downhill if members choose to carry discussions and disagreements to the level of contentious arguments and/or confrontations.

This contentiousness has been growing at HNI over the past few years and is in definite contrast to HNI's Golden Years 1998 through early 2005 or so. During those Golden Years, discussions and disagreements were more civilized, without rancor and were often just a whole lot of fun. People didn't wear their personal honor on their sleeve and were able to agree to disagree or drop the conversation before it went to the level of being counter-productive.

Sadly, this personal restraint often doesn't occur these days when people simply have to get the last word in and can't let it go. In a way, this lack of self-restraint or decorum is representative of politics today where people are determined to disagree and carry it to a flame-war level. That's too bad as it results in the poor government we have today and ignores how our government was created to encourage people with different points of view to compromise and devise solutions that compromised for the betterment of all.

I realize that some gun issues have certain laws of physics and some things aren't really up for compromise but each member who hunts and/or simply shoots will find what works best for them in their particular circumstances. Belittling another for what works best for him/her based on what works best for you is kind of pointless. You don't walk or hunt in their shoes and they don't in yours.

I am only one of the mods on this website but I try to moderate in a manner that I would appreciate if I were on the receiving end. I have posted, PM'd and discussed issues with many of you and I happen to rely on quite a few of you to uphold the standards at HNI--High standards that individual members create and uphold. Standards that make this website a on-of-a-kind and unique place to gather, read and post. Standards that make the mods' job easier and in turn, admins' job. Standards that I have seen in so many of you and appreciate because you make this place fun and special.

I am unlocking this topic now and stepping down off my moderator soapbox. Play ball, gentlemen, but play nice. Disagree at will but leave the animosity out of it. And yes, some of you will just have to agree to disagree.

CalHunter
Moderator

Amen..... Couldnt have said it better.