458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
09-27-2003 | 11:44 AM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
Vapodog,
By the way...which .375' s do you own? (I think I remember reading something referencing them on another post...but don' t remember what!)
In the past I owned a Voere with double set triggers in .375 H&H, (a friend bought it in a Rod & Gun Club in Germany...Hanau or Darmstadt....don' t remember which). I do remember the first time he shot it at the Heidelberg Rod & Gun Club range though. He fired less than a box of ammunition...either Remington or RWS don' t remember which.....turned to me and asked me if I wanted to buy it. I said, " how much" ? He said $375. at which I pulled the money out of my pocket and bought it. I don' t remember if I had a Schmidt & Bender low power variable or a Leupold VXIII 1.5X5X20 on it..but I do remember it shot extremely well. Especially after you were use to the set triggers and started shooting from field positions....very easy to shoot in the field with accuracy!
The most recent .375 H&H was a Sako Mannlicher with a Leupold VXIII 1.5X5X20 that also was a very good shooter. It was several pounds heavier than a similar Sako Mannlicher I owned in .308 Winchester but had a very good trigger and shot very well. That rifle went on several " walk in" hunts for Moose in Alaska and was a comfort in Brownie country. But I sure hated given it the " rough treatment" when I had Stainless-Synthetic' s that handled the lumps and bumps better!
In between those two there were a couple of Steyr Model ST' s (medium heavy weight barrels) both of which I had to return to the factory for improper headspacing when purchased NEW! The .375 H&H cases were separating in front of the belt when removed from the chamber....(New factory loads!!!). I finally told the Steyr rep to get me the same rifle chambered in 9.3X64 (Continental equivalent to the .375 H&H except slightly shorter, more modern case dimensions, and NO belt. That resolved the problem for me. Put a Kahles 1.5X6X30 in a set of Steyr " swing off mounts" which always returned to zero when removed and replaced. That rifle had double set triggers as well with a spare magazine inletted into the right side of the butt stock. It was the " cyolac rotary magazine" common to Steyr.)
And over the years there was an odd Winchester Model 70 or two in .375 H&H. All nice rifles in their own way. But you know how it is to be a " gun crank" , especially when you' re young. There is always the siren song of the " next" rifle. (Oh...to have them ALL back in my hands again!?!)
A great cartridge if ever there was one!
By the way...which .375' s do you own? (I think I remember reading something referencing them on another post...but don' t remember what!)
In the past I owned a Voere with double set triggers in .375 H&H, (a friend bought it in a Rod & Gun Club in Germany...Hanau or Darmstadt....don' t remember which). I do remember the first time he shot it at the Heidelberg Rod & Gun Club range though. He fired less than a box of ammunition...either Remington or RWS don' t remember which.....turned to me and asked me if I wanted to buy it. I said, " how much" ? He said $375. at which I pulled the money out of my pocket and bought it. I don' t remember if I had a Schmidt & Bender low power variable or a Leupold VXIII 1.5X5X20 on it..but I do remember it shot extremely well. Especially after you were use to the set triggers and started shooting from field positions....very easy to shoot in the field with accuracy!
The most recent .375 H&H was a Sako Mannlicher with a Leupold VXIII 1.5X5X20 that also was a very good shooter. It was several pounds heavier than a similar Sako Mannlicher I owned in .308 Winchester but had a very good trigger and shot very well. That rifle went on several " walk in" hunts for Moose in Alaska and was a comfort in Brownie country. But I sure hated given it the " rough treatment" when I had Stainless-Synthetic' s that handled the lumps and bumps better!
In between those two there were a couple of Steyr Model ST' s (medium heavy weight barrels) both of which I had to return to the factory for improper headspacing when purchased NEW! The .375 H&H cases were separating in front of the belt when removed from the chamber....(New factory loads!!!). I finally told the Steyr rep to get me the same rifle chambered in 9.3X64 (Continental equivalent to the .375 H&H except slightly shorter, more modern case dimensions, and NO belt. That resolved the problem for me. Put a Kahles 1.5X6X30 in a set of Steyr " swing off mounts" which always returned to zero when removed and replaced. That rifle had double set triggers as well with a spare magazine inletted into the right side of the butt stock. It was the " cyolac rotary magazine" common to Steyr.)
And over the years there was an odd Winchester Model 70 or two in .375 H&H. All nice rifles in their own way. But you know how it is to be a " gun crank" , especially when you' re young. There is always the siren song of the " next" rifle. (Oh...to have them ALL back in my hands again!?!)
A great cartridge if ever there was one!
09-27-2003 | 02:23 PM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
one is a Remington classic (pushfeed)...it' s wonderfully light, very accuraste and a gun that I' d be comfortable hunting with.
The other is a super cheap gun I built my self on a 1917 Enfield (Winchester) action. It has a shilen 26" barrel, Timney trigger, 5 round magazine, cock on opening, 3-position M-70 style safety and a fiddleback douglas piece of wood. I' ve got less than $250 in this gun and it' s a seriously fine shooter. ( payed $10 for the original 1917 enfield a few years ago) BTW this is a controlled round feed and is available for the .458 lott.....
I' m serious about DG hunting but every dollar I spend on guns is a dollar I don' t have for hunting. The .375 still seems to be the one to do it all.
The other is a super cheap gun I built my self on a 1917 Enfield (Winchester) action. It has a shilen 26" barrel, Timney trigger, 5 round magazine, cock on opening, 3-position M-70 style safety and a fiddleback douglas piece of wood. I' ve got less than $250 in this gun and it' s a seriously fine shooter. ( payed $10 for the original 1917 enfield a few years ago) BTW this is a controlled round feed and is available for the .458 lott.....
I' m serious about DG hunting but every dollar I spend on guns is a dollar I don' t have for hunting. The .375 still seems to be the one to do it all.
09-27-2003 | 05:20 PM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
Vapo...
Know what you mean about money on guns...doesn' t go hunting! Sometimes, especially the 20 years in the military, had to whittle away on some assignments planning, buying equipment, and practicing....but unable for short periods of time to do some of the hunting I was planning. So in those cases I did my best to make up for it with the anticipation...and greater appreciation....when I finally did get to go!
Sounds like you have some nice .375' s. I have owned a 700 Classic in .35 Whelen and it was indeed a very nice rifle! (My other Whelen was a Rem 7600.) My brother has an Enfield in .30-06 but I haven' t been able to talk him out of it yet!?! I had a Mauser put together with a No. 5 Douglas barrel, reworked single stage mauser trigger, (broke like a glass rod at somewhat less than 4 pounds), rifle weight about 10 pounds with 22" of barrel including a brake (a pleasant rifle to shoot), all put into a synthetic stock reinforced with an extra recoil lug. Nice single leaf express with large sour-dough (huge white dot) front, Warne quick release rings, and a Leupold 1X4X20. It was alot of fun putting it all together and using it. It did cost me more than $250. though.....unfortunately!!!
Our son had Muscular Dystrophy, was in a wheel chair, and when the family went camping in Alaska....that .458 was one camp gun always in camp!!! With the scope off and loaded with Federal Premium 510 grain Woodleigh softs. Bear medicine in large doses!!!
But my .375 did a lot more " hunting" than the .458, which was my primary camp gun. (My wife was less afraid of the 12 gauge pump with Brenneke slugs...the other camp gun.) Truth be told my Ruger SS synthetic chambered for .338 Winchester Magnum was the gun in my ATV boot all the time! I hated to put a wood stocked gun in that boot, (let alone blued steel). The boot both rubbed and stayed moist much of the time during Alaskan hunts!
Know what you mean about money on guns...doesn' t go hunting! Sometimes, especially the 20 years in the military, had to whittle away on some assignments planning, buying equipment, and practicing....but unable for short periods of time to do some of the hunting I was planning. So in those cases I did my best to make up for it with the anticipation...and greater appreciation....when I finally did get to go!
Sounds like you have some nice .375' s. I have owned a 700 Classic in .35 Whelen and it was indeed a very nice rifle! (My other Whelen was a Rem 7600.) My brother has an Enfield in .30-06 but I haven' t been able to talk him out of it yet!?! I had a Mauser put together with a No. 5 Douglas barrel, reworked single stage mauser trigger, (broke like a glass rod at somewhat less than 4 pounds), rifle weight about 10 pounds with 22" of barrel including a brake (a pleasant rifle to shoot), all put into a synthetic stock reinforced with an extra recoil lug. Nice single leaf express with large sour-dough (huge white dot) front, Warne quick release rings, and a Leupold 1X4X20. It was alot of fun putting it all together and using it. It did cost me more than $250. though.....unfortunately!!!
Our son had Muscular Dystrophy, was in a wheel chair, and when the family went camping in Alaska....that .458 was one camp gun always in camp!!! With the scope off and loaded with Federal Premium 510 grain Woodleigh softs. Bear medicine in large doses!!!
But my .375 did a lot more " hunting" than the .458, which was my primary camp gun. (My wife was less afraid of the 12 gauge pump with Brenneke slugs...the other camp gun.) Truth be told my Ruger SS synthetic chambered for .338 Winchester Magnum was the gun in my ATV boot all the time! I hated to put a wood stocked gun in that boot, (let alone blued steel). The boot both rubbed and stayed moist much of the time during Alaskan hunts!
09-27-2003 | 06:52 PM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
458 is a nice caliber, 470' s good too. The 500 Nitro Express Double I shot at Magnum Fest 2003 was very nice and a confidence instilling gun. If I found a big bore double in a windfall situation (garage or estate sale where they didn' t know what they had) then I might find myself a proud owner. Given that is rather unlikely and it is more probable I' d have to pay a price of $7,000 to $15,000 for a double, I' ll stick with the CZ' s, practice on the rapid fire technique, and put the difference in money towards the trip --- lets see, looks like I' m already $14,500 ahead!
Never Go Undergunned,
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Never Go Undergunned,
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09-28-2003 | 05:25 AM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
Welllll, I' m so very happy to know that I' m not alone in wanting one of those big doubles and unwilling to shell out the sheckels to own one.
I happen to own a few machine tools and am a former tool and die maker and now have a book entitled " Making Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions"
Several years ago I made a double .30-30 on a Brazillian action. I was proud of it but it was a first and not as accurate as it should be.
There ain' t a big bull elephant on the planet for everyone that wants one, that' s what makes them so valuable.
I' m one lucky SOB to have done a plains game hunt.....and have a few African trophys. (used a .300 H&H that I customized)
I happen to own a few machine tools and am a former tool and die maker and now have a book entitled " Making Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions"
Several years ago I made a double .30-30 on a Brazillian action. I was proud of it but it was a first and not as accurate as it should be.
There ain' t a big bull elephant on the planet for everyone that wants one, that' s what makes them so valuable.
I' m one lucky SOB to have done a plains game hunt.....and have a few African trophys. (used a .300 H&H that I customized)
09-28-2003 | 07:11 AM
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I am currently considering two CZ' s. One I' d love to have is the Mannlicher, (full stocked), chambered in 9.3X62. The other is the Magnum action...but I haven' t entirely decided which caliber yet. I' d want a certain stopper for Brown' s but just haven' t quite settled on the particular caliber yet. (In the not to distant future it might be available in .400 H&H as well as the other calibers. Time will tell.)
But then I have to decide to use them as is...blued steel and wood stock...or have them refinished and restocked....to better deal with the weather. (If I were only intending to spend short periods of time in the field it wouldn' t be an issue. But the truth of the matter is this time when we go....we are not going to mortgage but rather " pay as we build" and put up a small modified A-Frame. If it takes several years....we don' t mind! I am done working for " the bank" .....any bank! We have already decided to spend between three to six months annually in " the field" . Tough life...but someone has to do it!!!) I have considered several finishes that are more weather resistant than plain blue steel...but I' d really like to find a laminated " drop in" rather than synthetic to replace the factory stocks. I think finding a full stock laminated for the CZ may be tough. Remington' s custom shop makes a laminated full stock...but it is for their action...Model 7. (Worse case I guess I' ll just full length glass bed it and " oil it up" the best I can!) Unless someone makes a wood finishing product that protects like the hard finishes Remington use to use...but has a " Satin finished" appearance. Still thinking....still looking!?!
But then I have to decide to use them as is...blued steel and wood stock...or have them refinished and restocked....to better deal with the weather. (If I were only intending to spend short periods of time in the field it wouldn' t be an issue. But the truth of the matter is this time when we go....we are not going to mortgage but rather " pay as we build" and put up a small modified A-Frame. If it takes several years....we don' t mind! I am done working for " the bank" .....any bank! We have already decided to spend between three to six months annually in " the field" . Tough life...but someone has to do it!!!) I have considered several finishes that are more weather resistant than plain blue steel...but I' d really like to find a laminated " drop in" rather than synthetic to replace the factory stocks. I think finding a full stock laminated for the CZ may be tough. Remington' s custom shop makes a laminated full stock...but it is for their action...Model 7. (Worse case I guess I' ll just full length glass bed it and " oil it up" the best I can!) Unless someone makes a wood finishing product that protects like the hard finishes Remington use to use...but has a " Satin finished" appearance. Still thinking....still looking!?!
09-28-2003 | 08:53 AM
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RE: 458 Lott from a .458 Winchester?
Hey Vapo....
When you get it all sorted out....let me know....(regulating the doubles I mean)! I would love to have a 9.3X74R in a nice handling double! (Wow....if it could be fitted safely on a 20 gauge frame!) Say 24" barrels, folding leaf rear - regulated for 100, 200, and 300 yards. Big sourdough front bead. Sounding better all the time! (And heavens....NO scope!)
I love owning, handling, shooting, and using guns. But my skill(s) fall short of building them! Replace grips, sights, mount bases, rings, scopes, etc.....that I can do. But actually machining them...nope! I recognize my limitations and honestly doubt that I would have the patience required to be precise enough. Handloading I enjoy....building a rifle....I have my doubts. Long before the work would be finished I' d be yearning to be outside! So I guess I' m stuck paying those with the skill(s) to provide me with the objects of my desires. But I respect those that can!
Best wishes with your endeavors!
When you get it all sorted out....let me know....(regulating the doubles I mean)! I would love to have a 9.3X74R in a nice handling double! (Wow....if it could be fitted safely on a 20 gauge frame!) Say 24" barrels, folding leaf rear - regulated for 100, 200, and 300 yards. Big sourdough front bead. Sounding better all the time! (And heavens....NO scope!)
I love owning, handling, shooting, and using guns. But my skill(s) fall short of building them! Replace grips, sights, mount bases, rings, scopes, etc.....that I can do. But actually machining them...nope! I recognize my limitations and honestly doubt that I would have the patience required to be precise enough. Handloading I enjoy....building a rifle....I have my doubts. Long before the work would be finished I' d be yearning to be outside! So I guess I' m stuck paying those with the skill(s) to provide me with the objects of my desires. But I respect those that can!
Best wishes with your endeavors!
