Those bullets probably are too heavy for the standard 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06. IMO, those heavier bullets really shine when you get into the Ultra Mag and larger class of cartridges.

Here's a newsflash for you. I don't hunt with a guide.

I do have a couple friends who are elk guides, but the topic of caliber generally doesn't come up with them. We talk about elk, not about rifles.

RR,

Thanks. I could probably make a 338 WM fit into the budget within a year or so. Out of curiosity, what cartridge(s) are capable beyond 500 yards on larger game?

Really, 1100 yards for elk or moose sized animals? Stretching it a little arnt you? I am not familiar with the 6.5 Gibbs but I am guessing it produces a little less than a 264 Win mag. I have had a 30 Gibbs for about the last twenty years, it is close but not quiet a 300 win mag, a pain in the butt to fire form cases in my opinion for something that falls a little short of a 300 mag that I can buy brass and factory loads for, although it is more efficent, as far as powder burn. I just recently inherited a 270 Gibbs but have yet to play with it.

Here's a video from Gunwerks, Utah elk dropped at 925 yds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmYJ6...eature=g-all-u

And a Wyoming elk at almost 1100 yds....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48Eo...feature=relmfu

I wonder just how many animals they have wounded to get that footage that they dont show? This is exactly the kind of material the tree huggers love to see. So much for fair chase, you can shoot mutiple shots at that distance without the animal even being aware of it. Sure takes a hell of a hunter to get that close without spooking the animal. I thought this was a hunting forum not the long range shooting forum.

Its a good thing those guys in those videos were camoed out, they probably wouldnt have been able to get so close had they not.

I wonder if you've watched the same hunting shows i have, seeing world champion archery shooters, gut shooting deer. Ginger moorehead was my favorite, she shot the same deer in the guts 2x at 20yds. Or ted nugent smoking a buck in the neck with a bow. Yup, That's quality up close hunting to brag about. Your worried about the wrong things. It should only matter how fast and clean the kill is, not the distance.

It doesnt matter who makes the shot, that just shows you how easy it is to do it at close range, now multiply that times 50. Are you trying to say archery hunters wound more game than rifle hunters? That is B.S. there are far more game wounded by guns than bows, a person has to get close to a animal to shoot it with a bow, you dont see road hunters using archery equipment, it takes a dedicated hunter to use a bow. Every idiot that can afford a gun can get close enough to a animal to sling lead at it, especially when they are shooting 500+ yards. The chances of making a poor shot drastically increases as the range increases, any one knows this. There are alot more variables to consider when shooting long distance. You have to have a extremely thin jacketed bullet to work at those distances or it will be like a solid, you use the same bullet up close and it will blow up on the outside of the animal. Like I said before, it doesnt take a hunter to kill a animal at 500+ yards, it takes a marksmen, with the right gear, the right conditions, and a little luck. It takes a hunter to get up close and personal with a trophy deer or elk. No amount of money can buy you the equipment to accomplish this. It simply amazes me that people were able to kill anything before they came out with all this new scent cover up, newest camo that you have to have, that changes every year, Barnes and Berger bullets, Tactical scopes, and ultra mags.

Nothing like taking the sport of big game hunting and turning it in to a prairie dog shoot.

Same for rifle hunters. I have a desk full of grown over bullets that I have found while shaving hides here at the tannery.
A bad shot is a bad shot, it doesnt matter what it is done with. There are idiots that will fling arrows a 100 yards at game. Can it be done? Of course, I practice out to 100 yards with my bow, and I am really consistent at it but you will not see me take a shot over 50 yards.

Fritz, game can move on any type of shot. anyone who's bow hunted long enough has had one jump the string at some point. That's part of hunting. And we all know you've been banned over this before, so maybe it's time to give up. RR has consistently shown that he knows what he's doing. You're not convincing anyone by throwing a fit. Gets rather obnoxious actually!
-Jake

Nope, never been banned.

I stand corrected :hail: . It was awful close tho, I am sure of that.
-Jake

You are right about that.

Ridge to answer your question. I have never shot a deer at what you call long range. This buck was the longest shot I have ever taken on a deer.

I spotted it at about 600 yards but slowly worked my way to about 250 yards before I took the shot, this to me is a long big game shot. I know I could have hit when I first spoted it, I have shot coyotes out at that distance so I know I was capable, but I guess I find it more exhilerating to stalk a animal and to get as close as possible with out alerting him to my presence. I can also see where a long shot probably gives you the same thrill. I will erase my post were I made some derogatory and unessesary comments.

That^^^ We're all into hunting for different reasons. Usually different reasons at different stages of our life, and even different stages of the season. I love archery hunting, but when rifle season comes in I always make sure I still have a tag or two left. And next season I'm gonna have to save another tag for muzzleloader. There's always going to be a "better" way to do something. But that's not why I'm out there. I'm out there to enjoy the woods and the different styles of hunting.

That's a great buck you got also.
-Jake

That's a great looking buck! I'd be proud of him no matter the
distance or the type of weapon I used.

I know a couple guys who give me a hard time because I use a compound bow and not a recurve. They think by using a compound bow I'm cheating. I don't feel that way but I do know I'm just as accurate as they are and practice less. I bring this up because we are all hunters, be it with archery equipment, muzzleloaders, or modern centerfire rifles. We all need to stick together even if our hunting styles differ.

I think the one of the biggest bad trends I see in the hunting world is hunters using gadgets to compensate for lack of practice and fundamentals.

Actually Ridge, that doesnt look too much different than where I hunt. Looks alot like this part of Idaho.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medi..._8008896_n.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medi...63475353_n.jpg

[quote=VAhuntr;3936500]That's a great looking buck! I'd be proud of him no matter the
distance or the type of weapon I used.


+1 Great buck !

:lolabove:

Magnum shooters suck.

If you don't hunt like me, you suck.

I shot a big deer so everything I say is right.

This is some stupid chit!

No one said that. Once again you have skimmed over a thread and come to a complete BS conclusion. And you do it so often that it seems like you have some kind of personal insecurity issue you need to work out.

All anyone is saying is that a lot of people are being bull####ed into believing they "NEED" these big stomper magnums to kill deer or elk and they don't. That's it. All this other stuff you are spouting is just you trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

If you want to shoot ground hogs with a 416 Rigby, great. Just don't try to hose the rest of us with the BS that it's needed. A 22-250 works just fine for that.

If you want to shoot at deer or elk 1000 yards away just to see if you can still hit them from that distance, fine. But again, don't act like you have to. We have a long gun season here in Alabama and these deer are hunted hard. Our bucks are as skittish as any on the planet. But you would be hard pressed to spook them from a 1000 yards away if you were sitting in your truck with the lights on honking the horn. If you can't get to at least 400 yards from a game animal then you aren't trying real hard.

Seriously CLD - what's up with you? You say you don't care what weapon other people choose to hunt with, but you'll sure go to bat every time someone's not championing the .300 Ultra Mag the way you do.

Then you post stuff like this? It sure seems like you're prone to misconstruing the comments of others (yes, putting words in their mouths) to the point that you jump to the conclusions that you have here. Can it be possible to simply accept that not everyone wants to be like you? Or maybe that it's just okay to disagree and then let it go at that?

Guys. Guys, Guys! We're all gun lovers here. Let’s stay united in our cause against the tyranny that would like to take them away! Too many times on here we get too involved with our own little soap box and soon forget the bigger picture. We are united, right?
Back to original subject . . . my personal feeling is that the gun manufacturers created some of these rounds simply as a means to sustain their own existence.
.300 WM, intro'd in '63 . . .7mm Mag, into'd in '62, ,338 Mag, intro'd in '58 . . . Relatively recent developments. The horse didn't ask for a new cart, but we get them all the time. Nowadays it's the "Ultra this and that. IT'S SO WE WILL BUY NEW GUNS!
Nothing like a "My mag's bigger than your mag!" conversation over a beer at the bar, right? I personally got rid of my big three mags and now shoot the tried and true .308. I have several deer and three elk in the freezer too!
Bottom line . . . they all work well in the hands of a skilled shooter.
The best gun made is the one you are the most confident in.

This is where you are full of crap. I wouldn't recommend a 300 ultra mag to just anyone. If someone asked what I thought the best elk hunting rifle was, I'd answer 300 ultra mag.

If a new guy was looking for guidence, I'd recommend a 30.06. I have killed most of my elk with a 30.06.

I have buddies that use a .270 and use it very well.

I have buddies whose wives and kids use a .243. They kill an elk every year.

I have no problem with standard calibers. I use them myself.

You guys have a problem with magnum hunters. I don't know why, you just do. I'm really glad you do because these kind of stupid threads are very entertaining and you can count on reading them a few times a year. LMFAO!

"Full of crap" - Whatever. I'd rather be consistenly "full of crap" than I would "perpetually confused" as you've so clearly illustrated above. I'm sure most of us would recognize that there's a very clear distinction between "asking what" and "looking for guidance", particularly since you'd give two different answers depending on that context - whatever it is (all sarcasm intended). I really don't think you're in a place anymore to say that anyone else is "full of crap."

Funny thing is, the rifle you'd recommend if someone is "looking for guidance is the same one I'd recommend." Only, you make the further distrinction that if it's elk you're after, it's a .300 RUM. So, what basis do you have for recommending the .30-06 then?

I really could care less about your .300 RUM, or the .300 RUM in anyone else's hands. Make that the same for a .30-06, or a .270, or a 7mm RM, or a .243. The rifle doesn't make the hunter. Whether you have just one rifle, or whether you have a safe spilling over with calibers you want but don't "need" as many of us do, the expectation should be the same - if you plan to use it for hunting, you'd better be proficient with it. Beyond that, who cares what someone else carries into the woods?

Pal, get your head screwed on. At least read what you type before you hit [submit reply]. You don't even make sense. You have a problem with anyone who doesn't see things the way you do. You can try to doubletalk your way out of it, but it's pretty clear - and the more you rant, the more irrational you get. I'm finished with this. Have a nice day.

Okay Homer, I'll try and type this real slow so maybe you will get it.

If someone is new to shooting or hunting, I would never recommend a 300 ultra mag. I would recommend that they check into a 30.06. Even for elk.

If someone was a savy experienced hunter and shooter and he asked me what I thought the best elk rifle was, I'd tell him I prefer a 300 ultra mag.

If someone asked me the old "if you could only have one rifle, what would it be?" question, I'd say a 30.06.

I'm not against standard calibers at all and I think it's freaking funny as hell how you guys hate magnum hunters. Cracks me the @#$% up!! LMFAO!!

If that's a goal you set for yourself, you have reached it magnificently.

I see the trend of big magnums over in my area. Lots of mags on the used rack. The trend is smaller calibers. I remember 30 yrs ago an older guy used a .243 Win. I thought he was nuts. Now they are everywhere. Even .223 is getting lots of use.

Well, with the hunting community gradually becoming older and older in Wisconsin, the magnums and heavier standard cartridges are getting less use.

Let's face it, shooting a .243 is far easier on the body than a 30-06 or any of the magnums.

Even isolated the context. Tried to talk your way out of the corner you backed yourself into in the post just prior. Killed most of your elk with a .30-06, but you'll recommend a .300 RUM instead. PERPETUAL....PREDICTABLE.

I have no more time for you, CLD. I won't waste any more electrons responding to your self-serving drivel. Always have LMAO over your signature lines, what a window they are into your wounded psyche....

[quote=homers brother;3937342]Tried to talk your way out of the corner you backed yourself into in the post just prior. /quote]

I backed my way into a corner? That's some funny stuff.

Homer, I'm sorry I couldn't type the words slow enough for you to understand them. It's like you can read but not understand. I don't get it. Anyway, PLEASE, keep posting. The entertainment value of your post is through the roof.

This is the sort of posts you get from people who have lost an argument and are desparately trying to save face. LOL!

I have to be done with this thread. The stupidity is overwhelming but vey entertaining.