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Old 08-21-2003 | 11:57 PM
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Default Need help, first shot high!

Been loading for my new Tikka and had a pretty good night at the range. Been trying to get a load dialed in and think I' m pretty close. Problem is I shot 2 groups of 5 and the first shot is hitting high, with a cold barrel, and then as the barrel heats up the rest of the group is really good.

Anyone see this happen before? Are there any remedies to try? I' m shooting a 7mm Rem. Mag. with 160g Partition reloads on top of IMR 4831 pushing along around 3,000 fps.

Thanks for the help.

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This is with a dirty barrel [10+shots]. I' ve shot 3-shot groups that seem to be spread around 1.5 " . I' ve only shot 2 groups like this one below (last night) so I' ll shoot more to confirm. Seemed pretty consistant though.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 12:14 AM
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I have to ask how many times have you shot this same group . If every time you went to a range you shot the same group with a cold barrel then maybe you have a problem . But one shot doesn' t usually have much effect on a cold barrel.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 12:46 AM
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Probably have about 10 groups with this effect. Thanks.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 10:37 AM
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do you clean your bbl between the 5 shot groups? perhaps there is a lose mounting screw, and when you clean it you loosen the bbl. after the 1st shot the bbl and receiver gets seated again.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 11:09 AM
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Was the rifle cleaned before taking it to the range to fire the 5 shots? Does this happen with every 5 shot string starting with a cold barrel, or the first string you shoot when you get to the range?

If you cleaned the rifle before taking it to the range, I would almost expect the first shot to be a little high- this is normal if you have a light coat of oil in the barrel, the first shot will remove the oil and further shots should be more consistant. This a good reason NOT to clean your rifle after you sight in for deer season- wait until after the season unless the gun gets dropped in water or mud.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 01:21 PM
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Power, if you are cleaning your rifle between sessions the result of a high POI can be the effects of oils or cleaners still in the bore. I make sure to run a patch soaked with rubbing alcohol after I have cleaned and a few dry patches behind, this ensures i have removed all cleaning or oil based soultions. In turn it results in no shift of POI through a clean barrel. You can try shooting a group of 3 or 5 leaving it until later or the next day(don' t clean) and see what happens then. I think it is imperative to ensure a cold barrel shoots on the money as this is mimics our hunting situations best. While follow up shots can and do happen, often your highest % shot is the first! Otherwise why spend all the time on the range preparing for that perfect shot, only to need/bank on the second, third or fourth rushed shot to connect.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 06:04 PM
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If your flyer 1st shot only happens on the #1 shot from a cold barrel regardless of whether the 1st shot is thru a clean barrel and the rest are through the fouled barrel...then I' d advise you to add a small chunk of material near the end of your fore-stock to put slight upward pressure on the barrel. A piece of credit card might be perfect if your barrel is free-floated...or could be too much, ..you' ll have to experiment. If your barrel is NOT free- floated then try adding something thinner....(small bit of folded aluminum foil). If your barrel is NOT free-floated and the upward pressure doesn' t work...then try free-floating. Just some thoughts to try. Either way, make sure your first shot is thru a clean and DRY barrel.
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Old 08-22-2003 | 11:57 PM
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Default RE: Need help, first shot high!

Thanks for all the replies. I have some things to try now. The rifle is a Tikka Whitetail Hunter, which comes with a free-floating barrel from the factory. I need to shoot it some more to make sure it' s the rifle and not something else but I think I' ll try the tip from 8mm/06 and see what happens.

If that doesn' t work I might have to glass-bed the action (comes with a plastic piece that slips into a slot in the stock, must be there way of bedding or something). Anyone bed their Tikka WH yet?
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Old 08-23-2003 | 05:23 AM
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Yes! this is not at all uncommon. COL T. Whelen would tell you to use the " sniper' s zero" , that is, zero your gun for the first shot from a cold, clean bore, and know how much allowance you must make for the rest of the group. The first shot is usually the one that does the job, anyway.
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Old 08-23-2003 | 10:22 PM
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The first shot out of many of my rifles are fliers due to a very clean barrels. After my first two shots, they start to group normaly. Before I go out hunting I shoot a couple of rounds to season the barrel. Good luck.
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