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What makes it a better rifle?
Educate me,what makes on rifle better than another ?
For example Winchester Model 70 vs Ruger m77 vs Remington 700 vs Tikka T3 ect...ect...ect........... |
Most of the time, it's the shooter.
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Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
(Post 3785262)
Most of the time, it's the shooter.
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The Winchester Model 70 is one of Winchesters best rifles. The Tikka t-3 is Sako's bottom of the line.
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There's no set formula in my book, it's all about finding the closest factory rifle with all the features you want.
Plastic stocks with rubber inserts are a pretty big turnoff to me, though some are slightly growing on me, but of course I'd rather have a pretty synthetic instead. Seems like many rifles come close but always have something that's a major turnoff. winchester's stainless/synthetic, is very nice, but those flutes are gross IMO, only halfway down the length of the barrel? I'd rather have flutes the entire length or not at all. Great looking syn stock though. One of the guys at my local shop once told me "no one complains about a cheap rifle that shoots well" hence he mostly stocks cheap rifles, when you buy an $1800 rifle and it can be out shot by a $700 rifle it's a lil upsetting, course the $1800 might look better. |
A rifle (assuming bolt action but any) must first of all feed rounds from the magazine to the chamber without flaw and at a rate of 99.999%.....
Then it must have a decent trigger and safety which is adjustable or set for the shooter. The safety must function reliably and IMO allow the shooter to load and unload while the gun is in the safe position Then the gun must have a positive extractor that extracts 99.999% of the time. Then the gun has an ejection system that ejects the spent casing with similar reliability! On top of all of this the gun is accurate enough for the task it was purchased for and strong enough to hold in a overcharge of some nature. It must be made from materials that allow for the gun to service the owner for many many many years. On top of all this it must offer some type of pleasing appearance in finish and styling. (clearly a matter of personal taste) These are the requirements.....and I haven't found a lot of guns that actually make the grade but the M-700 and M-70 rifles I've owned do this with ease. |
But lets use the Win model70 extreme weather & the tikka t3 stainless as examples.Why is the win. about twice as much? Is it built twice as good as the tikka? Yes. Are the materials used that much better? Yes. Comparing these two rifles. Stocks - Winchester is a solid fiber glass, aramid, and graphite filled stock with aluminum bedding block, aluminium reinforced wrist, with a Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad and epoxy gel coat. The tikka stock is injection molded polymer with a hard rubber recoil pad. Receiver - *Winchesters actions are sized to the length of the cartridge. Tikka is one size fits all. *Winchester has a controled round feed bolt and claw extractor. Tikka is a push feed bolt. *Winchester has a coned breech face. Tikka has a 90 degree bolt face. *Winchesters safety is vastly superior to any safety currently on any other bolt action rifle. *Winchesters bottom metal is real metal. Tikka's is polymer. *Winchester has an integrated recoil lug machined into the receiver. Tikka's recoil lug is a piece of metal pressed into the stock that fits a slot milled into the receiver. Just to name a few. Comparing these two rifles is like comparing a bottle of fine wine with a some Boons Farm you get from the grocery store. . |
Originally Posted by bigbulls
(Post 3785415)
Materials used, manufacturing process, fit and finish, Over all quality, etc...
Comparing these two rifles. Stocks - Winchester is a solid fiber glass, aramid, and graphite filled stock with aluminum bedding block, aluminium reinforced wrist, with a Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad and epoxy gel coat. The tikka stock is injection molded polymer with a hard rubber recoil pad. Receiver - *Winchesters actions are sized to the length of the cartridge. Tikka is one size fits all. *Winchester has a controled round feed bolt and claw extractor. Tikka is a push feed bolt. *Winchester has a coned breech face. Tikka has a 90 degree bolt face. *Winchesters safety is vastly superior to any safety currently on any other bolt action rifle. *Winchesters bottom metal is real metal. Tikka's is polymer. *Winchester has an integrated recoil lug machined into the receiver. Tikka's recoil lug is a piece of metal pressed into the stock that fits a slot milled into the receiver. Just to name a few. Comparing these two rifles is like comparing a bottle of fine wine with a some Boons Farm you get from the grocery store. . |
Originally Posted by fritz1
(Post 3785421)
LMAO!!!!!! But very true!
Larry, from a land under... |
Originally Posted by 462x0
(Post 3785430)
Fritz1, Can I quote you, you bottomless pit of information???
Larry, from a land under... |
Originally Posted by fritz1
(Post 3785438)
What happened? You got banned and came back as Larry? LOL!
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Originally Posted by 462x0
(Post 3785441)
Thanks for the warm welcome!!! WOW
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Originally Posted by bigbulls
(Post 3785415)
Materials used, manufacturing process, fit and finish, Over all quality, etc...
Comparing these two rifles. Stocks - Winchester is a solid fiber glass, aramid, and graphite filled stock with aluminum bedding block, aluminium reinforced wrist, with a Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad and epoxy gel coat. The tikka stock is injection molded polymer with a hard rubber recoil pad. Receiver - *Winchesters actions are sized to the length of the cartridge. Tikka is one size fits all. *Winchester has a controled round feed bolt and claw extractor. Tikka is a push feed bolt. *Winchester has a coned breech face. Tikka has a 90 degree bolt face. *Winchesters safety is vastly superior to any safety currently on any other bolt action rifle. *Winchesters bottom metal is real metal. Tikka's is polymer. *Winchester has an integrated recoil lug machined into the receiver. Tikka's recoil lug is a piece of metal pressed into the stock that fits a slot milled into the receiver. Just to name a few. Comparing these two rifles is like comparing a bottle of fine wine with a some Boons Farm you get from the grocery store. . |
Originally Posted by fritz1
(Post 3785448)
your welcome, vtgao!
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Originally Posted by bigbulls
(Post 3785415)
Materials used, manufacturing process, fit and finish, Over all quality, etc...
Comparing these two rifles. Stocks - Winchester is a solid fiber glass, aramid, and graphite filled stock with aluminum bedding block, aluminium reinforced wrist, with a Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad and epoxy gel coat. The tikka stock is injection molded polymer with a hard rubber recoil pad. Receiver - *Winchesters actions are sized to the length of the cartridge. Tikka is one size fits all. *Winchester has a controled round feed bolt and claw extractor. Tikka is a push feed bolt. *Winchester has a coned breech face. Tikka has a 90 degree bolt face. *Winchesters safety is vastly superior to any safety currently on any other bolt action rifle. *Winchesters bottom metal is real metal. Tikka's is polymer. *Winchester has an integrated recoil lug machined into the receiver. Tikka's recoil lug is a piece of metal pressed into the stock that fits a slot milled into the receiver. Just to name a few. Comparing these two rifles is like comparing a bottle of fine wine with a some Boons Farm you get from the grocery store. . Thanks for an informative post. |
Originally Posted by jerry d
(Post 3785255)
Educate me,what makes on rifle better than another ?
For example Winchester Model 70 vs Ruger m77 vs Remington 700 vs Tikka T3 ect...ect...ect........... The internet. |
What makes one rifle BETTER than another?
IMHO Personal experience and Taste!
GOOD LUCK and GOOD SHOOTING!!! |
Originally Posted by skb2706
(Post 3785553)
The internet.
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The best thing to do is go to a Gun Shop and check out the different Rifles available,I really like the looks and quality of the Browning Rifles,they are well made and perform nicely,my Browning A-bolt Hunter in a .243 is a great looking and shooting Rifle.I also bought a new Savage Model 11 GCNS 7mm-08 with the wood stock in a bolt-action...its a great looking Rifle and is made very good,I like the Accu-trigger and its a very well made gun.
If I had more money I would like to get a Kimber Rifle,A Weatherby,a Wichester and the Tikka that was mentioned earlier....I'm thinking the next Rifle on my list is going to be a CZ-USA American in a .204 for Predators and Varmints...I've got several nice Deer Rifles,just need to get something different in a smaller caliber that is fast and can reach out and put down a Coyote,Bobcat or Fox? |
Originally Posted by bigbulls
(Post 3785415)
Materials used, manufacturing process, fit and finish, Over all quality, etc...
Comparing these two rifles. Stocks - Winchester is a solid fiber glass, aramid, and graphite filled stock with aluminum bedding block, aluminium reinforced wrist, with a Pachmayr decelerator recoil pad and epoxy gel coat. The tikka stock is injection molded polymer with a hard rubber recoil pad. Receiver - *Winchesters actions are sized to the length of the cartridge. Tikka is one size fits all. *Winchester has a controled round feed bolt and claw extractor. Tikka is a push feed bolt. *Winchester has a coned breech face. Tikka has a 90 degree bolt face. *Winchesters safety is vastly superior to any safety currently on any other bolt action rifle. *Winchesters bottom metal is real metal. Tikka's is polymer. *Winchester has an integrated recoil lug machined into the receiver. Tikka's recoil lug is a piece of metal pressed into the stock that fits a slot milled into the receiver. Just to name a few. Comparing these two rifles is like comparing a bottle of fine wine with a some Boons Farm you get from the grocery store. . |
Ruger, Remington, Savage, etc. they will all get the job done, I think a lot of people worry too much about the rifle, and not enough about the optics that they will put on that rifle. Failed optics have probably ruined more hunts than failed rifles!
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Look at the materials used (metal, plastic etc), the "finish" on the parts (smoothness, sharp edges, tooling marks) and the how the action feels when you function it. Things you can't tell are how accurate it will shoot.
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Marketing.
I think most rifles shoot better than the people that shoot them, so unless you are shooting long range, most rifles are accurate enough for regular hunting. Trigger pull, reliability, etc... are other factors that influence my decision. I haven't ever owned any bad rifles. Just my .02. |
Originally Posted by GRIZZLYMAN
(Post 3786282)
I haven't ever owned any bad rifles. Just my .02.
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Your right CommonSense....good Optics can make a lot of difference in a Rifle also,when You have a both they make a Killer Combination for sure! ;)
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Originally Posted by warbirdlover
(Post 3786277)
and the how the action feels when you function it
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Originally Posted by GRIZZLYMAN
(Post 3786282)
Marketing.
I think most rifles shoot better than the people that shoot them, so unless you are shooting long range, most rifles are accurate enough for regular hunting. Trigger pull, reliability, etc... are other factors that influence my decision. I haven't ever owned any bad rifles. Just my .02. |
+ 1
"I think most rifles shoot better than the people that shoot them, so unless you are shooting long range, most rifles are accurate enough for regular hunting. Trigger pull, reliability, etc... are other factors that influence my decision. I haven't ever owned any bad rifles. Just my .02." Grizzlymam It’s the Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns…………for me anyway ! |
Originally Posted by jerry d
(Post 3786468)
Tikka has one of the smoothest actions out there but IMO the rifle just seems cheap.
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Other Considerations
Most of the previous posts are on point. However, there are other things to consider when selecting a rifle.
Most modern rifles are more than capable than the people who use them. Before buying, handle the rifle. See how in fits in the amount of clothing you will be wearing while hunting. The consider the type of hunting. Is weight an issue? How far are you likely to shoot? Will you be out in the weather? How fussy are you about keeping the stock pristine? As to scopes. Stay away from the "name brand" scopes that have a cheaper line which is made in China. You do not have to spend a fortune to get a reliable scope but, particularly on a larger center fire, if you want it to last buy the best quality you can afford. |
I agree on putting fine glass on a fine rifle that's a must. I've had some good cheaper scopes but I won't buy anything anymore that don't have a lifetime guarantee. But in the long run if you hunt with it, that scope is going to have to be durable and take a few unexpected knocks. I'll take the fall on the rock before my rifle does.
+1 on how the rifle fits you. |
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