Tell me about .300 Ultra Mag recoil...
 

I've shot .270 Win, .30-06, and 7mm. Rem. Mag. extensively and their recoil doesn't bother me at all. I honestly can't tell the difference between any of the 3.

I'm wanting to purhcase a Remington CDL in .30-06 (99.9% sure), but I would kick myself in the ass if I bought it then later found out that I could handle the .300 Ultra recoil. The ballistics on that round are jaw dropping.

The "on paper" recoil table show the Ultra to have right at twice the recoil of the 06'.

Just curious if anyone has shot the 700 CDL and .300 Ultra combo to tell me how the "felt recoil" was. I know it's very particular to the individual, but any opinions would be welcomed.

Shoot a .300win.mag or .300wby mag and see how that recoil feels...the .300RUM should be even greater than either of these but more int he same class as these, than a .30-06 or 7mm rem.mag.

From what I hear the .300RUM is a step up from the .300win.mag. and a .300win.mag is certainly a step up from a .30-06...

in a heavy rifle, you can probably tolerate the .300RUM, but do you really want to?

I can only tell you that I had similar concerns before I purchased (shot) my .338 Win Mag.

I'm the same way.................. Not much more than my 7MM Rem Mag - No problem !

I had the chance to shoot a few rounds through a .300 Win. Mag. in an older Winchester model 70.

It had a little more pop than the 7mm. Rem. Mag., but didn't bother me.

Don't know if that helps. I need a .30 caliber rifle that burns 100+ grains of powder per shot like another hole in my head.........but that joker is IMPRESSIVE.......

If you can't handle it (doubtful) I'm sure you'll learn to. Compliment it with good bullets and she'll works real nice like.

300 Win mag is a little more then a 7mm rem mag, a little more sharp. The 300 RUM is in a class all its own for recoil. Standing it may be tolerable, but on a bench, it is intense to say the least. Can you put a box thru the 7mm at a sitting, or can you handle 3" 12 ga mag loads? If so then you can likely tolerate the RUM, but I would recommend the limbsaver recoil pad to help.

when i first got my 300ultra i bbought all 3 power levels of ammo,ithought the kick would be bad but was very manageable.i grew up with an old plastic stock 12 ga. single so recoil dosnt bother much.

The 700 CDL is not what I'd categorize as a "heavy rifle". You can look at this one of two ways: First - just be afraid of it, you're going to be unhappy and eventually sell it, or Second - recognize it's not a .30-06 and IS going to kick and simply get used to it.

My stock answer to questions like this is typically, "It's only going to kick you as hard as you think it will." If that's too much, then don't buy it and stick to the .30-06.

Are you planning on shooting past 400 yards a lot? If not, really no reason to buy the Ultra...

Exactly. If one needs to ask, then its probably too much.

I feel the 300RUM is manageble, but stout. It more of a very hard push, where the 338RUM seems to have more thrust, and fast hard jab.

Ditto. The 300 ultra is a very specialized cartridge intended for extreme long range shooting.

I have a .338 Ultra mag and the recoil is definitely severe though with the installation of a limb saver pad it became quite manageable and I can sit down at the bench and fire 20-30 rounds with out a problem. Although I am 6'2" tall and weigh 275 pounds so I can absorb quite a bit more recoil than most people.

You must be mentally prepared to take the recoil of a cartridge like an ultra mag. If you are not the type of person that can make himself slowly squeeze through the trigger and sit there and absorb the recoil no matter how much it's going to hurt then you would be better off with something a little less harsh.

Great statement.....as you have just described more hunters than one can imagine. Many hunters can't even handle the recoil of a .30-06 let alone the much greater smack of the ultra mags!!

I have enormous respect for those that can actually shoot an Ultra Mag and also make use of the small distance gains it provides.... (and the distance advantage is indeed small) over such cartridges as the .300 Win Mag......but their numbers are indeed very small!

I've pretty much decided that I could manage the .300 Ultra with a little practice....but I don't need it.

In a .30 caliber magnum, I think I would love the .300 Win. Mag.

Sadly, Remington doesn't chamber it in the Remington CDL left handed model.

I guess I'm stuck with the severely underpowered .30-06...lol JOKE.

I think the 06' will serve my needs and then some JUST FINE

Honestly, a winmag is a better choice. I have owned 3 RUM's. And rebarreled two. From 2001-2006, I bet I shot well over 5000 RUM shots. I got sick of rebarreling. Got sick of the copper fouling. Last barrel was a krieger and it lasted 500 rounds and got heat cracks in the chamber leade area. I still have no idea why.

Since then I have switched to 300win mag. And getting 3100fps 180gr loads. Which is 200fps from my RUM loads, but 3100fps is nothing to sneeze at.

I'd go one step further and say "if you're not shooting farther than 600 a lot..." I think you'll be happy with the -06 SC, with good bullets and knowing your trajectory I don't think you'll have any problems a long ways out there.

I’ll go even one step further.

“A man’s got to know his limitations”
Clint Eastwood in “Magnum Force”

I will go one more step further and say, I wonder how many people replying to this thread has ever owned a RUM.

good question.....but I was wondering how many here had to own three of them before they discovered how marginal they were?

With great pride I can say that I didn't make that mistake even once!:D It's not rocket science ya know!

I never said it wasn't a great round for long range shooting. 200fps gain is significant. Just short barrel life is a problem.

And to answer your question, its called experience.

Folks, I really appreciate all your feedback....especially feedback that's coming from experience with the RUM

I believe I'll be scratching the Ultra off my list of calibers to choose from.

Not me, but I have shot and loaded for them...not practical for me in an average weight hunting rifle, put one in a McMillan A5 and a sendero contour barrel and now your are talking!!

<~~Raises hand. Model 70 stainless 300RUM. It is a hand full. Would agree with the others in all honesty, the 300 Win mag does the same thing at 500 yard or less ranges with less punishment. When I got it way back in circa 2002, ammo for it was inexpensive and gave you weatherby level bang for walmart level prices. Now it doesnt matter, the stuff is expensive, period, lol.

We can talk about all the steps we want to talk about. But the bottom line is that the 300 RUM is an awesome cartridge. Do you need it?? Probably not. Can you get by without it?? Yes. Too much power?? Probably. Unmanageable recoil?? Definitely not. Does it recoil? Yes. But if recoil really bothers you then put a muzzle brake on it. That will help alot.

Bottom line is the 300 RUM is an awesome cartridge. If you can afford to shoot it then why not?? We really like the ones we have. But we strictly use them for a hunting rifle, and do not shoot thousands of rounds through it. Tom.

Get a 300wsm, you well love it. About the same recoil of a 30-06.

Oh yea? How is that possible?

Didn't you hear that the laws of physics have changed over the last ten years??????

Hey bifbulls.....didn't you read.....the laws of fisiks dun't kut it on this thred....ya got to hav "speriense":D

:lolabove:

Hey V-dawg, where can I git som of dat "speriense" you speek of? :s3:

500 rounds? Destroyed a barrel? Either had a bad barrel or didn't let it cool enough between shots. Either way you can't blame a cartridge on that. Back to the original question, recoil, it is very unpleasent from a RUM. Those that say you can get used to it more power to them but I have my doubts anyone can really get used to the recoil of a RUM. Install a Break and start shooting. A good installed break will run you around $200 and it will be the best investment you can make with a RUM. I shoot an Improved RUM with 240 grain bullets and a break and it has less recoil than my 25-06. Noise is a definate issue and you wouldn't even want to take one shot without hearing protection.

My borescope showed heat cracks in the neck. I went thru about 5 pounds of Retumbo. I thought that might had something to do with it.

On the factory barrel on my first one, I just got throat erosion within 1200 rounds. No heat cracks. Accuracy starting going south.

Gunsmith tried to say kreiger had a bad run of barrels. Find that hard to believe. Needless to say, he hasn't done anymore plumbing for me.

So how many rounds you getting thru your kreiger or Lilja barrels with RUM?

Thats pretty funny. I see, you didn't like my comment.

So you like it when folks comment on cartridges, scopes, and guns, when they never have even owned the product? I mean you got people even on this thread who are probably on thier first rifle giving out advise on a RUM!!!

My rule is to never comment on a product unless I have owned it.

Hense you don't see me talk about 260remington, or give advise on casting bullets. Sure I know some about them. I know people who shoots a 260rem, and casts bullets.

I have a Hart Barrel with just over 800 rounds and it's still very accurate. It does show heat cracking but thoat still looks decent. I expect around 1200 rounds it will start into the point of no return for accuracy. I push the 240's pretty hard with 96 grains of WC872. I've had them going over 3000 FPS but accuracy just wasn't what i wanted. They're running about 2900 now. I'm real carful about overheating the barrel, It's a #5 contour so about 4 shots is all it will take. I heard Kreiger had some bad barrels but I have never had a bad one form them. I haven't had much luck with Lilja and I just tried a Bartlien. I really like the Bartlien so far. I haven't shot enough out of it yet to be sold on it, but accuracy is awsome. That one is chambered in a 300WSM.

School if you are looking for a step above the 06 I would go with the 300 Ultra Mag if you reload. The win mag does not give a lot of meaningful separation like the Ultra would.

If you find the Ultra is too much you can just load down with the minumum load of something IMR 4350. At just 78 grains it matches the velocity and powder charges of many of the 300 win mag loads according to my Nosler Manual. So recoil would be similar to a win mag.

With reduces charges barrel life would match the win mags and brass life would be excellent also, probably better than a win mag operating at higher pressures.

Lets see, I get 3050-3100 easy with 300winmag and 180gr pill, I get about 2750 with a 30-06 and 180gr pill, and get 3320fps with a 300RUM.

Your kidding, right?

I could be wrong but I think he was busting on RWK .

You're more than welcome to post to any rules you believe to be prudent.....but to tell me or anyone that I shouldn't post about cartridges I have not owned is pure baloney.

It's not rocket science to read trajectory tables, energy tables, and other data that is a simple matter of physics. Further you cannot find a single statement I typed that is not true. It's a fact that many hunters are way over gunned for their own abilities.......and I'm not saying you are....just that many are and anyone should consider their own capabilities before buying something as severe as a "RUM". It's not at all uncommon to see folks at the range that flinch so bad that they couldn't hold a 12" group even if the gun was a certified 1/2" shooter.....and you and others here have seen this as well.

I certainly don't need to own a .458 Lott to know it's beyond my personal capabilities and would post so any time it might be worthy of someone's reference that might be leaning to buy one. My experience with the .375 H&H tells me all I need to know to make that statement with the same confidence I'd have if I just finished shooting an entire box of Lott ammo!

I shoot the .30-06 today as my most powerful .30 caliber......and yes I still own a .300 H&H.....mostly for sentimental reasons..... I find that the .30-06 does any job that I ever did with the .300 magnums and yes.....I was fully capable of handling the .300 magnums that I had.....but chose to step back as the gains of the magnums just didn't justify (in my eyes) the extra "expense" to shoot them......and in that expense was a significant weight factor in favor of the .30-06 featherweight I use.

To say that I (or anyone) should not post about a rifle cartridge I've never owned is pure ignorance.

Guess I was wrong. :busted:

My lead sled with 50 pounds on it will rock back several inches when shooting my 300 RUM.

I know what is pure ignorance.

So by your logic, you would want to go to a mechanic that has zero experience on your type of car?

By your logic, you would actually get heart surgery by a doctor that has never done it?

This is your logic, so all on here can judge which is pure ignorance. I will let them be the judge.

I am going to give you a bit of information. Anytime you hunt with a gun period your overgunned. My longbows do a perfect job. Riflery is just fun.

I mean a 30-06 is way overkill for deer.