Slug gun quandry
07-16-2010, 08:40 PM
#1
Spike
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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Slug gun quandry
So I went out to the range today to sight in my new rifled slug barrel and scope on an 870 express, and after shooting two types of Remingtons, Winchester, and Hornadys, I'm still not able to get the accurate groupings at 50 yards (the max distance for my area). The Remingtons both did well at first, but then got a couple fliers from each type, the Winchesters gave me at best a 6" grouping, and the Hornadys also gave me a good groupings at first, but had a couple fliers as well. So, after spending over a 100 bucks on ammo, and with a very bruised shoulder, I'm a little fumed. A friend suggested trying rifled slugs in my rifled barrel (he does with his), as they're much cheaper, and according to him, more accurate. Any suggestions, or should I just buy a rifle like I first thought?
07-16-2010, 08:49 PM
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So I went out to the range today to sight in my new rifled slug barrel and scope on an 870 express, and after shooting two types of Remingtons, Winchester, and Hornadys, I'm still not able to get the accurate groupings at 50 yards (the max distance for my area). The Remingtons both did well at first, but then got a couple fliers from each type, the Winchesters gave me at best a 6" grouping, and the Hornadys also gave me a good groupings at first, but had a couple fliers as well. So, after spending over a 100 bucks on ammo, and with a very bruised shoulder, I'm a little fumed. A friend suggested trying rifled slugs in my rifled barrel (he does with his), as they're much cheaper, and according to him, more accurate. Any suggestions, or should I just buy a rifle like I first thought?
07-17-2010, 03:04 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Orange county, NY
Posts: 2,949
a few common slug gun mistakes I see at the range.
-trying to sight in or get groups w/out a rear rest
-resting the the forend(pump) on the bag(not a stable platform) rest on the magazine tube/receiver instead
- holding the gun too loosely ,pull the buttstock back tight to your shoulder.
-using cheap scopes and cheaper rings and mounts, they just dont hold up against 12ga recoil.
I would agree on lightfields too they work well in almost all guns, brenekee KO sabots aswell. rifled slugs in a rifled barrel arent a great idea iMO due to leading in the barrel. theyre designed for smoothys
-trying to sight in or get groups w/out a rear rest
-resting the the forend(pump) on the bag(not a stable platform) rest on the magazine tube/receiver instead
- holding the gun too loosely ,pull the buttstock back tight to your shoulder.
-using cheap scopes and cheaper rings and mounts, they just dont hold up against 12ga recoil.
I would agree on lightfields too they work well in almost all guns, brenekee KO sabots aswell. rifled slugs in a rifled barrel arent a great idea iMO due to leading in the barrel. theyre designed for smoothys
07-17-2010, 03:17 AM
#4
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren County NJ USA
Posts: 3,899
First off since you have a rifle barrel stick with sabot slugs for the best performance.
You never stated what gauge your shooting nor the type of sabot slugs (many types within each ammo maker), what length slugs, weight, etc.
Did you have the scope bored sighted? Make sure you check the scope mounts, they could become loose. Also, I see this often that the stock of the gun maybe to big for the shooter, this in turn will hamper the shooter from getting a proper sight picture, in turn causing bad shooting. I cut my stocks on all my firearms somewhat more then I need to make up the difference for bulky clothing during the gun season here in New Jersey.
Once you find the proper sabot slug for your gun, sight in at 2" or 2.5" high at 50 yards, this will put you within the kill zone out to roughly 100 yards.
I notice over many years the Lightfield 2-3/4" EXP slugs work great in almost all shotguns. Your Remington barrel has a 1 in 35" twist, that is a slow twist but common in slug guns, I have that barrel on my 11-87 the Lightfields work the best for me. Hornady, Winchester Golds, X3, Remington Core-Lokts, Federal Barnes, and similar sabot slugs work better in barrels with a faster twist.
Try the Lightfields, sight in at 2" or 2.5" high at 50 yards, I think you will like them, but once more check the scope if its bore sighted and the mounts are tight
You never stated what gauge your shooting nor the type of sabot slugs (many types within each ammo maker), what length slugs, weight, etc.
Did you have the scope bored sighted? Make sure you check the scope mounts, they could become loose. Also, I see this often that the stock of the gun maybe to big for the shooter, this in turn will hamper the shooter from getting a proper sight picture, in turn causing bad shooting. I cut my stocks on all my firearms somewhat more then I need to make up the difference for bulky clothing during the gun season here in New Jersey.
Once you find the proper sabot slug for your gun, sight in at 2" or 2.5" high at 50 yards, this will put you within the kill zone out to roughly 100 yards.
I notice over many years the Lightfield 2-3/4" EXP slugs work great in almost all shotguns. Your Remington barrel has a 1 in 35" twist, that is a slow twist but common in slug guns, I have that barrel on my 11-87 the Lightfields work the best for me. Hornady, Winchester Golds, X3, Remington Core-Lokts, Federal Barnes, and similar sabot slugs work better in barrels with a faster twist.
Try the Lightfields, sight in at 2" or 2.5" high at 50 yards, I think you will like them, but once more check the scope if its bore sighted and the mounts are tight
07-17-2010, 04:03 AM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,085
Nothing wrong with using rifled slugs in rifled barrels..You just need to be aware that there is a potential for leading and you may have to clean your barrel often to maintain accuracy.. At one time Hastings actually recommended either BRI sabots or Winchester rifled slugs for its rifled barrels..
You mentioned that you were getting some decent groups at first and then flyers starting showing up.. Is it possible that you were starting to flinch from your bruised shoulder..??..
My all time favorite sabot slug in 12 gauge has always been the Winchester BRI 2 3/4" standard velocity...It always grouped the best in my Remington rifled barrel and was MUCH gentler on my shoulder than most other 12 gauge slugs..Killed deer just fine, too...
You mentioned that you were getting some decent groups at first and then flyers starting showing up.. Is it possible that you were starting to flinch from your bruised shoulder..??..
My all time favorite sabot slug in 12 gauge has always been the Winchester BRI 2 3/4" standard velocity...It always grouped the best in my Remington rifled barrel and was MUCH gentler on my shoulder than most other 12 gauge slugs..Killed deer just fine, too...
07-17-2010, 06:45 AM
#6
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: VA.
Posts: 1,415
Make sure your barrel is very tight.If the barrel twists under the load of recoil,this can also cause what you experience.My mossberg loves 2 3/4 BRI's from both Federal and Winchester.100 yard groups are alittle over 2".Rifled barrels have great potential.It will come together for you.
Last edited by Game Stalker; 07-17-2010 at 07:13 AM.
07-19-2010, 08:10 PM
#9
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
You mentioned that you were getting some decent groups at first and then flyers starting showing up.. Is it possible that you were starting to flinch from your bruised shoulder..??..
