WSM or SAUM????
06-19-2003, 09:18 PM
#2
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: KUNKLETOWN PA United States
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RE: WSM or SAUM????
well , the 7mm wsm has a bullet weight varying from 140 gr. to 160 gr. with velocities from about 2990 ( fps ) for the 160 gr. to about 3200 ( fps ) for the 150 gr.' re , with the 140 gr. coming in at 3225 ( fps ) , and energy in the range of 3176 ( ft-lb ) for the 160 gr. to 3410 ( ft-lb ) for the 150 gr.re ,with the 140 gr. coming in at 3233 ( ft-lb ) ,
the winchester 160 gr. is said to have a bullet drop of about 11.8 inches at 300 yards when zeroed at 100 yards , it has a drop of about 42.6 inches at 500 yards when zeroed at 200 yards
the remington is loaded with a 160 gr. loading that has a velocity of 2960 ( fps ) and an energy at 3112 ( ft-lb )
the remington 160 gr has a drop of about 39.7 inches at 500 yards when zeroed at 200 yards
the winchester was introduced first , and remington introduced thiers about a half a year later , as for whose better , only you could decide that for yourself as no hunter handles his firearms or shoots exactly the same way but , i will add the winchester has made some excellent hunting calibers in the 7mm caliber and they always seemed to fail , where as remington has always seemed to dominate the success of the 7mm caliber
hope that was helpful , as i got the ballistic info from the remington , and winchester ammunition websites , and compared the same bullet weights
edited for spelling and omitions
the winchester 160 gr. is said to have a bullet drop of about 11.8 inches at 300 yards when zeroed at 100 yards , it has a drop of about 42.6 inches at 500 yards when zeroed at 200 yards
the remington is loaded with a 160 gr. loading that has a velocity of 2960 ( fps ) and an energy at 3112 ( ft-lb )
the remington 160 gr has a drop of about 39.7 inches at 500 yards when zeroed at 200 yards
the winchester was introduced first , and remington introduced thiers about a half a year later , as for whose better , only you could decide that for yourself as no hunter handles his firearms or shoots exactly the same way but , i will add the winchester has made some excellent hunting calibers in the 7mm caliber and they always seemed to fail , where as remington has always seemed to dominate the success of the 7mm caliber
hope that was helpful , as i got the ballistic info from the remington , and winchester ammunition websites , and compared the same bullet weights
edited for spelling and omitions
06-19-2003, 09:38 PM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Bossier City LA United States
Posts: 2,425
RE: WSM or SAUM????
If you buy a Rem SAUM be sure to get all the ammo and brass you can now. It won' t be around long. The WSM series has too big a head start and has a ballistic edge over the SAUM. There won' t be room for both. Actually I don' t see the big deal about either series myself. Just more hype.
06-20-2003, 01:05 AM
#5
RE: WSM or SAUM????
SAUM Less recoil for more bullet speed?
Cartridge Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
7x57 Mauser (160 at 2600) 8.0 14.3 n/a
7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 7.5 12.1 10.2
7mm-08 Rem. (160 at 2650) 7.5 15.2 11.4
7mm Rem. SAUM (140 at 3147) 8.0 18.8 12.3
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (140 at 3055) 8.0 20.9 n/a
7mm WSM (160 at 2795) 8.0 22.4 n/a
7mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 3150) 8.0 19.1 12.4
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 18.2 11.4
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
Cartridge Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
7x57 Mauser (160 at 2600) 8.0 14.3 n/a
7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 7.5 12.1 10.2
7mm-08 Rem. (160 at 2650) 7.5 15.2 11.4
7mm Rem. SAUM (140 at 3147) 8.0 18.8 12.3
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (140 at 3055) 8.0 20.9 n/a
7mm WSM (160 at 2795) 8.0 22.4 n/a
7mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 3150) 8.0 19.1 12.4
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 9.0 18.2 11.4
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
06-20-2003, 05:03 AM
#6
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: dedham massachusetts USA
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RE: WSM or SAUM????
i would go with the WSM becasue....
1). they seem to be here to stay
2). more firearms are chambered for the WSM' s
3). better selection of ammuntion ( for the non re-loader ).
plus i have never even seen any SAUM' s in amy of the gunstores i have been too.
1). they seem to be here to stay
2). more firearms are chambered for the WSM' s
3). better selection of ammuntion ( for the non re-loader ).
plus i have never even seen any SAUM' s in amy of the gunstores i have been too.
06-20-2003, 07:04 AM
#7
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newport Maine USA
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RE: WSM or SAUM????
Six of one - half dozen of the other.If your a Remmy man you will choose the SAUM,if your a Browning/Ruger/Winchester man you' ll probably choose WSM, if you like Savage you can pick either 
The two are for all intents and purposes about the mirror image of each other and for that reason one will probably fade out with time.Which that will be at this point is hard to say,the 300 and 270 calibers appear to be dominating the WSM line right now but there doesn' t appear to be a clear cut winner yet in the 7mm line.True there are a lot more makers chambering for the WSM line and that coupled with ammo availability seems to point to the WSM line staying in the lead for the time being.Haven' t seen rifles and ammo at Wal Mart yet for the Remmy but they always have the WSM offerings.If there is one caliber however that Remington stands a chance of winning in the short mag wars with winchester on, it would be the 7mm because of their long standing 7mm mag success.If they stay in the fray and don' t concede to winchesters constant new developments in the short mag arena I think the winner in the 7mm short mags still has yet to be decided.I do however think the 338WSM when released will be another winner for winchester.Tim,your velocity figures are wrong in the recoil charts you posted,look at the info above in Whelens post for correct numbers.Less recoil and slightly less velocity for the SAUM rounds compared to the WSM' s.
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The two are for all intents and purposes about the mirror image of each other and for that reason one will probably fade out with time.Which that will be at this point is hard to say,the 300 and 270 calibers appear to be dominating the WSM line right now but there doesn' t appear to be a clear cut winner yet in the 7mm line.True there are a lot more makers chambering for the WSM line and that coupled with ammo availability seems to point to the WSM line staying in the lead for the time being.Haven' t seen rifles and ammo at Wal Mart yet for the Remmy but they always have the WSM offerings.If there is one caliber however that Remington stands a chance of winning in the short mag wars with winchester on, it would be the 7mm because of their long standing 7mm mag success.If they stay in the fray and don' t concede to winchesters constant new developments in the short mag arena I think the winner in the 7mm short mags still has yet to be decided.I do however think the 338WSM when released will be another winner for winchester.Tim,your velocity figures are wrong in the recoil charts you posted,look at the info above in Whelens post for correct numbers.Less recoil and slightly less velocity for the SAUM rounds compared to the WSM' s.woods
06-20-2003, 08:25 AM
#8
Giant Nontypical
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RE: WSM or SAUM????
I think the SAUM will feed better than the comparable WSM...Last I checked at MIDWAY they had plenty of brass for both SAUM and WSM. I think the 7 SAUM will eventually win out because of Remingtons success with 7 mm cartridges in general.
06-20-2003, 10:43 AM
#10
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
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RE: WSM or SAUM????
WSM...but how each of these fares against the 7 MM Rem Mag over the next few years? I don' t know. I think once the hoopla dies down, people will see that there are no big and significant differences between the 7 MM RM and the short mags. I would also seriously give consideration to the 7 MM Rem Mag in your deliberations.