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statjunk 12-21-2009 11:51 AM

Winchester M70 Customer Service (FNH)
 
I called Winchester today to see if they could give me some information on the action of the rifle to see if I could find an after market trigger that would fit.

I was told they do not give out this information. Over and over in a very contrite way. Almost to say, you're lucky we even sold you a rifle.

I'm so pissed right now I wish I could ship the rifle back to them.

They won't be seeing any more of my money. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another non-custom gun again. This is total BS.

Tom

bigcountry 12-21-2009 12:43 PM

Instead of going to them, I would call jewell, or a few other trigger companies and have them suggest a trigger.




Originally Posted by statjunk (Post 3535584)
I called Winchester today to see if they could give me some information on the action of the rifle to see if I could find an after market trigger that would fit.

I was told they do not give out this information. Over and over in a very contrite way. Almost to say, you're lucky we even sold you a rifle.

I'm so pissed right now I wish I could ship the rifle back to them.

They won't be seeing any more of my money. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another non-custom gun again. This is total BS.

Tom


vabyrd 12-21-2009 01:29 PM

I wouldn't expect them to offer that info anyway. First, who manufacture is going to recommend aftermarket parts and say their OEM is inferior. Plus, its probably got a lot to do with liability. I can't imagine that their new triggers are that bad, but then again I ain't got one...

stalkingbear 12-21-2009 02:38 PM

Why not just have your gunsmith rework the trigger? It'll be fairly painless as opposed to buying an aftermarket trigger and you'll wind up with a great trigger.

bigbulls 12-21-2009 03:06 PM

I don't see what you are pissed about. There isn't a single manufacturer that is going to reccomend tht you replace OEM parts for after market parts and if you do they will void your warranty.

If you had a Ruger with an after market trigger on it and you had to sed it back to them for work they will remove your trigger, throw it in the trash and replace it with a factory trigger, charge you for it and after you pay for it send it back.

I'm not sure why you would need to replace the FNH trigger any way.

liquidorange 12-21-2009 03:58 PM

why not have a gunsmith adjust the trigger for you.

Hairtrigger 12-22-2009 02:47 AM

The trigger should be adjustable by a good gunsmith.
I completely understand the factory's answer.
To me it is like calling Detroit and asking for a NAPA filter

keyshunter 12-22-2009 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by statjunk (Post 3535584)
I called Winchester today to see if they could give me some information on the action of the rifle to see if I could find an after market trigger that would fit.

I was told they do not give out this information. Over and over in a very contrite way. Almost to say, you're lucky we even sold you a rifle.

I'm so pissed right now I wish I could ship the rifle back to them.

They won't be seeing any more of my money. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another non-custom gun again. This is total BS.

Tom

LOl. Now that IS funny. I cannot believe that anyone would call a manufacturer and ask for a recommendation on an aftermarket replacement part for their product.

VAhuntr 12-22-2009 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by statjunk (Post 3535584)
I called Winchester today to see if they could give me some information on the action of the rifle to see if I could find an after market trigger that would fit.

I was told they do not give out this information. Over and over in a very contrite way. Almost to say, you're lucky we even sold you a rifle.

I'm so pissed right now I wish I could ship the rifle back to them.

They won't be seeing any more of my money. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another non-custom gun again. This is total BS.

Tom


Is the factory trigger that bad?

rhans53 12-22-2009 03:46 AM

I'm sort of with the rest of the crowd on this, I would never call a manufacturer and ask what replacement parts they would recommend. I would assume they would recommend theirs. The triggers on todays rifles are that way because of lawyers. Go to midway, do a search for winchester triggers, read the reviews and go from there. Good luck with your quest
Ron

8mm/06 12-22-2009 03:57 AM

There are several after market triggers to choose from, but a competent gunsmith should be able to do an adjustment and trigger-job on your factory trigger and it would improve immensely, so much so I think you'd love it. A good trigger job with adjustment can make a so-so trigger feel like a custom piece. Much cheaper too.

However, if you must have a different trigger they are available. Could void a warranty though.

statjunk 12-22-2009 04:10 AM

I didn't ask them to tell me where to get a replacement trigger. Let me explain. The "New" M70 isn't exactly an M70. The action is very different and aftermarket triggers that work on the original M70 will not work on the "New" one.

I already did have a smith re-work the trigger. It still isn't nearly as good as a re-worked Original M70 trigger. Not even close. There is a 1/2 lb of variance between the tip and the middle. Every time I pick it up it feels different.

I already called Timney and they don't make one.

Again I wasn't asking them where to get an aftermarket trigger. I was asking them what other rifle has the same action to trigger mating so that I could find a trigger that would fit. They wouldn't even tell me if the trigger to action mating is unique to that rifle or if it's a copy of something else that FNH makes.

Their stance is basically they don't give out that kind of information.

If you shoot paper you will not be happy with the trigger in that rifle. If you just use your rifle to hunt it will be swell.

Again, I'm out of the factory rifle business from now on.

Tom

statjunk 12-22-2009 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by 8mm/06 (Post 3536127)
There are several after market triggers to choose from, but a competent gunsmith should be able to do an adjustment and trigger-job on your factory trigger and it would improve immensely, so much so I think you'd love it. A good trigger job with adjustment can make a so-so trigger feel like a custom piece. Much cheaper too.

However, if you must have a different trigger they are available. Could void a warranty though.

Every rifle I own has a re-worked trigger except my Ruger which has a Timney. The MOA trigger in the M70 has a leverage problem as explained to me by a very qualified smith.

Tom

statjunk 12-22-2009 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by VAhuntr (Post 3536105)
Is the factory trigger that bad?

It's not the most horrible trigger. But you get a bit jaded when you spent more than you should on a rifle that has advertising up the arse about the trigger and it turns out to be a dog even after spending $60 to have it adjusted.

All those morons had to do was leave the original Winchester Trigger in the rifle. Was that so difficult.

Yes I'm still pissed! Haven't beat the dog or the wife yet but if I stew long enough I'll get there. LOL.

Tom

VAhuntr 12-22-2009 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by statjunk (Post 3536134)
It's not the most horrible trigger. But you get a bit jaded when you spent more than you should on a rifle that has advertising up the arse about the trigger and it turns out to be a dog even after spending $60 to have it adjusted.

All those morons had to do was leave the original Winchester Trigger in the rifle. Was that so difficult.

Yes I'm still pissed! Haven't beat the dog or the wife yet but if I stew long enough I'll get there. LOL.

Tom


Did Timney talk like they may eventually make a trigger for it? I would think as these rifles become more popular(assuming they will) more aftermarket parts would become available.

That is the one thing I like about a Remington 700......so many aftermarket parts....especially for someone like me, who does not need to spend the money for a custom rifle.

statjunk 12-22-2009 04:31 AM

They didn't seem like they were going to rush to make one. They said they had a long list of triggers they were working on.

I'm going to do as BC said and call Jewel. My only issue there is I wasn't planning on spending that kind of money on a trigger.

If you're an aftermarket trigger kind of guy you're not going to be thrilled. It sucks to be particular!

Tom

cubfan56 12-22-2009 05:03 AM

Customer service
 
As others posted most likely manufacturer sensitive about their product, cant blame them. Before you replace the original let a gunsmith clean it up. I wanted to change mine on my savage .270 . Instead gunsmith worked on it for 20 bucks and it is a shooter...very pleased with pull !!!

bigcountry 12-22-2009 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by statjunk (Post 3536132)
I didn't ask them to tell me where to get a replacement trigger. Let me explain. The "New" M70 isn't exactly an M70. The action is very different and aftermarket triggers that work on the original M70 will not work on the "New" one.

I already did have a smith re-work the trigger. It still isn't nearly as good as a re-worked Original M70 trigger. Not even close. There is a 1/2 lb of variance between the tip and the middle. Every time I pick it up it feels different.

I already called Timney and they don't make one.

Again I wasn't asking them where to get an aftermarket trigger. I was asking them what other rifle has the same action to trigger mating so that I could find a trigger that would fit. They wouldn't even tell me if the trigger to action mating is unique to that rifle or if it's a copy of something else that FNH makes.

Their stance is basically they don't give out that kind of information.

If you shoot paper you will not be happy with the trigger in that rifle. If you just use your rifle to hunt it will be swell.

Again, I'm out of the factory rifle business from now on.

Tom

That sucks, I have to say, on the FN SPR I load for, its crisp, no travel, and just as good as any timney, jewell, etc I have shot.

I know by talking with you in the past, you were excited about this rifle. Hate to hear your so disappointed.

Hurricanespg 12-22-2009 06:50 AM

Midway says this will work on pre and post 64 model 70's.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=228165

Supposedly this Timney will work after a bit of work

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=769235

Hope that helps.

statjunk 12-22-2009 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Hurricanespg (Post 3536267)
Midway says this will work on pre and post 64 model 70's.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=228165

Supposedly this Timney will work after a bit of work

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=769235

Hope that helps.

Thanks for looking into this Hurricane! Unfortunately what they should say is post 64 until FNH started making them. I believe that's 2006 maybe 2007. They changed the action. So none of those triggers will work.

Thanks again.


BC,

Thanks. Yup I was very excited about this rifle. Extemely would be more like it. I still like this rifle and when there are after market triggers available I'll likely love it. Just seems for the money they could do much better. We're talking a $1k rifle here.

Tom

statjunk 12-22-2009 10:10 AM

Jewell has no plans on making a trigger for the new M70.

Tom


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