remington 700
 

Ok i have been wanting a bolt action rifle. I am leaning toward the 700 for a few reasons. Seems alot of people like them and there not to over priced. There is a new gun store in town so i went over to check them out. He has one in 7mm with a scope on it i think it is a bushnell as it looks like the scope on the other 700 and it is a bushnell. it looks new or as new might be used i did not ask. he is asking 430 for it with the scope. Is that a good price. he also had the same gun in a 300 which i am assuming is a 300 win mag but the tag did not say win mag. for 360 or 375 can't remember which. Is that a good price. which caliber is better.

The 300 will definately handle everything on the North American continent. Heavier bullet selection available. There isn't any flies on the 7mm either. I shot a 300 for over 20 years, and am sorry that I sold it.
As to rifle selection, Remington has left a bad taste in my mouth. Check out the Rugers.

Good prices. 7mmRM or 300WM would both be nice. Love my 7.

Check out the weatherby vanguard, savages, ruger 77s, winchester 70s too (for the money). Can't really go wrong, they're proven performers.

Why not !



Both are good "deals", if they are in good shape.



I think you might look at upgrading the scope.

for those prices with a bushy scope sounds like the 770 packages. The 770's are a far cry from what a M700 is.. they are remingtons econo rifle for those who dont want to spend the money on a M700. if you can't get a M700 you would be much better off with one of their 798 models over a junk 770.

me too, wont buy another.


check out this link , click the link on that page comparing a rem barrel to a custom.

http://www.riflebarrels.com/

Dan's stuff just freakin rules. Thats just the bottom line. I have had krieger, douglas, lilja. And I think from now on, lilja is my one stop shopping center for barrels. I liked the krieger, but I had heat cracks fairly quick for some reason near the throat on a 300RUM, and not sure why it happened. Smith blamed the barrel, Krieger blamed the reamer.

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Not really a fair comparison to make. No doubt the custom barrel will be better. I'm sure you could compare any factory barrel with the Lilja's and you would see the same results. It would be interesting to see....maybe a Sako barrel to see how it compares though.

No, a rifles performance sells itself, About the last 5 rems I shot were junk, so they wont sell anymore to me.

When cutting a barrel the very first barrel cut with the tool will be the best , everyone after that gets worse and worse until a new tool is installed, I think rem just mass produces and cares less if the 100th barrell is as good as the first.
I think thats why some rems shoot and some dont.

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760 poooomp master pursuit

I have to agree the newer remingtons have gone to ****. the last 2 barreled actions ive bought the barrel were not true to the reciever and required disassembly and some turning on the lathe. seems remington has got to the point they think they will sell rifles based on name alone regardless of the quality.

I must have lucked out then, because my Remington shoots great (except with Retumbo... it really dislikes Retumbo, but I think that it's just too slow). I don't have any complaints with the fit or finish either. Maybe it's because it's a Limited Edition small production run rifle, but I'm completely satisfied with it.

Mike

Yea, I must have lucked out to..........................!


My Remington 700 SPS DM out shoots my; Marlin, Savage & Sako, and with factory bulk ammo (sub MOA).

I just recently bought a Model 700 CDL and I love it. The first time I took it to the range I put 20 rounds through it and had a good 1.5 to 2" group. I have no complaints about it what so ever, however if I could afford to buy another rifle I would get a CZ-USA 550 in a .308 or a .30-60.

Up to 6 Rem 700's now with born on dates ranging from 75 to 05. Every one of the damn things are great shooters with zero probs!! Imagine that! The nerve of my damn 700's! Just made the longest shot of my life Friday on a power line right of way with a 270 and Federal blue box factory ammo.


Ignore the naysayers. Remington makes a great rifle. It may take 2 or 3 different loads to find the one your rifle wants to shoot but I have yet to own any that wouldnt shoot at least one load extremely well. Most of my 700's will shoot nearly any load to my satisfaction.

Count me on Team Green.

Yep they have left a bad taste in my mouth too. I can't say I wouldn't buy another one as some of their old stuff is pretty decent however, a lot of their stuff seems seems to not be so great. However, I'd be very hesitant to buy another and even more so if it wasn't an older one. If I was buying a bolt action rifle it for sure wouldn't be my choice.

If I had a 700 and all it would do was a 1.5" to 2" group I'd be pretty unhappy with it.

My friend would have been happy with getting that, thing shot 5" groups with factory ammo and showed signs of pressure, bolt was hard to open and had flowing on back of case.

yea but what do you consider shooting great?? even with the barrel to receiver mating surface not being true a rifle can still possibly shoot 1" to 2" at 100 yards. some guys are happy with that and apparently remington considers that acceptable.... but look at your brass are your cases expanded evenly around the web or is there a slight buldge to one side? a slight buldge to one side is a major indicator the barrel to receiver mating is not true. and thats what both my barreled actions were doing. IMO this is unacceptable for what I paid for them. A rifle that I have been real impressed by are the Howas the quality of their barreled actions is second to none asfar as commercially produced rifles go. the barrel to action is perfect out of the box. maybe remington can learn something from them.

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My brass comes out fine. I have 4 reloads on some of the brass now, which is good for a Weatherby cartridge. As for accuracy, is this good enough?



That the best load so far, I just can't find some more IMR 7828 locally.

Or how about this:





This was a ladder test I did for s**ts and giggles because I had some unspoken for RL-19 on the shelf. It's a little on the fast side for 115 grain bullets in the 257 Roy, but the results weren't too bad. I wish I had my chronograph working because I'd like to see what velocitys this load was getting. The second target was my "notes target" to keep track of the shots to figure out where the sweet spot is.

I do plan on Devcon bedding the stock and floating the barrel in the very near future. The only modification to this rifle thus far is that I adjusted the trigger down to 1.5 pounds.

To be honest, I did have one small problem with the rifle out of the box. The extractor had a burr or rough edge that caused it to sometimes not easily slide over the rim when chambering a round. It would leave marks on the back of the rims from the contact. A little bit of fine grit sandpaper followed by some polishing compound fixed this problem. It was a tiny defect and easily corrected. Is is indicative of a poor quality product? Not necessarily. It's just on tiny part and required a 5 minute modification to fix. I like my Remington.

Mike

I reckon I'm another lucky one. I own 3 700's in 25-06, 30-06, and 7mmRM. All of mine shoot fantastic. Both calibers you speak of are great rounds. My 7mag recoil is about like my 06, very little difference. However my 300wm has much more recoil to it, but its a ruger, to me rugers seem to kick more, not really sure why. I wouldnt hesitate to buy another model 700.

Bought a Rem SPS Varmint 308 Win last year for $360 out the door. This thing came right out of the box shooting. Have put 100's of rounds down the tube and it easily maintains under moa out to 600yds.

First 12 rounds fired from it. Shot's 1,2 and 3 were to get a 100 yd zero.
These are the shot's 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,and 12.

Three different loads/bullet weights too........



Fast forward to last Friday when we were getting snow flurries at 36 degrees and was shooting the same rifle at 200 yards, well lasered it at 203yds.Working up a 168gr/Varget load.I have since cut the 26" factory barrel to 20 inches and recrowned. Used rear bag and Harris bipod.

45grs varget


46grs varget


46.3grs varget

Not here to bash Rems and doubleA they are some nice groups but.....I call BS on "easily maintain sub MOA groups at 600 yards" Just to many varibles there to agree with that statement.

Why do you think that this isn't possible? You do realize that 1 MOA is a roughly 6.25" group at 600 yards, right? This is more than doable as long as the shooter is good at doping for wind, has a parallax free scope (adjustable objective/side focus), and mirage isn't too bad.

And what is there about his statement to agree or disagree with? If he's shot it at 600 yards, and been able to maintain sub-MOA groups at 600 yards, then he's stating a fact, not an opinion, which means there is nothing do disagree with... unless you're calling him a liar.

Mike

For what its worth, the old school 700's I've shot have been money. I grew up on a .270 and later on, moved to a 7mm. the 'Hammer' brought them down, put the lead on the crosshairs and was just an all around great gun. So nice, in fact, that my house got broken into and it was stolen last September....They also got my 740 with my grandpa's initials on a brass plate on the forestock.

I don't know, I have an affinity for older guns and since my father usually cycles through his aresenal frequently, I get whatever he's not enamored with any longer. Right now, in lieu of buying a new rifle to replace the stolen one or outfitting the .308 I got for Christmas last year, I'm shooting a .30-06 Mauser action/FN barrel. Makes a pretty group on the range but nothing worth shooting has seen fit to hang around my stand in daylight hours.

I might go custom next season with some slick optics or I might just be cheap and stick with what I've got.

As far as the Remington 700's go, the older ones shot just fine but then again, there's a big difference with differing circumstances and applications. If you're sitting in a stand watching a feeder 100 yards away with a rock solid rest, your needs are a little different than lining up a bull elk across a valley to be sure.

duckbutter, no offense taken.

Let me say this, I'll admit not being an excellent marksman but would say better than the average guy. Having a 600 yard range right from my reloading room does help. I shoot 2-3 times a week and switch back and forth between a few 308's and know each one of them pretty well. I do try to shoot in good conditions but that isnt always availible.

Those 203yd groups above were fired in not so ideal conditions 12/4/09. Snow fluries, 36 degrees, and 3-5 mph full value L-R winds in South Texas are not the norm.

The next day,Dec 5th, the temp was 27 degrees(again not the norm) no wind and clear skies and I dialed up 15.25 moa for 600 yds. Fired a couple groups prone with a bipod and rear bag. Not my best nor my worst but acceptable.

Believe that one and he'll tell you another.....

So whats the point laddy?

I guess if one enjoyed listening to hours of boring jargon about absolutely redundant and meaningless information they'd be standing outside your front door buying your books. Do I hear crickets in the background?

Funny, my old gunsmith used to yap about crap like that when he was working on my raceguns. I finally had to tell him to shut the F up too.