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Scott Gags 11-11-2009 07:21 AM

Savage Team with impressive results
 
I came across this on the Savage website. Their team used factory rifles in the F-Class world championships. It looks like they really took it to the high end custom guns.

http://www.savagearms.com/BreakingNews08192009.htm

I would not have thought they were in that league, not bad for a $1,000 to $1,200.00 rifle.

Father Forkhorn 11-11-2009 01:44 PM

I think I read not long ago that somebody took a national championship with one of savage's rifles. Same basic story:a far less expensive gun delivering top flight accuracy.

One more bit of evidence to the common claim that the Savage 110 and its variants are accurate all out of proportion to their cost.

Big Z 11-11-2009 01:52 PM

Savage focuses quality where it counts, and give their rifles accurizing features. Adjustable triggers, free-floated barrels, etc. They aren't terribly attractive, but they sure do the trick :D

HighDesertWolf 11-11-2009 02:05 PM

I love my savage 10FP its the older non accu trigger version but you can hit bottle caps at 200 yards no problem.

dylan_b 11-11-2009 02:57 PM

well, its not a case about a cheap rifle performing like a top end, its a case of top end shooters doing what they do best. i doubt the results at the end of the day would have been much different if the guys on team savage had remmys or something else.

Scott Gags 11-11-2009 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by dylan_b (Post 3502891)
well, its not a case about a cheap rifle performing like a top end, its a case of top end shooters doing what they do best. i doubt the results at the end of the day would have been much different if the guys on team savage had remmys or something else.

Nothing, but a rifle performing "like a top end" rifle is going to win at that level of competition. That would seem obvious to most.

The level of competition is extremely even and the idea that a shooter or team of shooters is so superior to the rest of worlds shooters that he can do it with inferior performing equipment is way off base IMHO. I am actually surprised that any factory rifle can compete just based on the quality of the barrels out there Shilen, Krieger etc. The thing that also impresses me so much is that very few shoot Savage in competition and that made a winning performance even more unlikely.

bigbulls 11-11-2009 05:33 PM


Nothing, but a rifle performing "like a top end" rifle is going to win at that level of competition. That would seem obvious to most.
Absolutely. At that level you can not compete, much less win with out the best equipment.

i doubt the results at the end of the day would have been much different if the guys on team savage had remmys or something else.
I don't care how well you can shoot but there is no way in the world any one can just pick up a Remington at their local gun store and win in F-class and Palma. Besides that, no other production rifle company build F-class and Palma rifles do they? If Savage can build these rifles for $1200 retail and win against the best in the world and rifles costing thousands of dollars more then it certainly says something about the company and their rifles doesn't it.

Hurricanespg 11-11-2009 05:35 PM

In this case I think it is much easier to tell the truth.
How easy would it be for someone to find out if the rifles they are shooting are not factory rifles?.....not very hard I imagine. The resulting lawsuits, bad publicity, etc. would obviously harm them financially.
I for one believe them until it is proved otherwise.

Father Forkhorn 11-11-2009 06:16 PM


i doubt the results at the end of the day would have been much different if the guys on team savage had remmys or something else.
I think this misses the point. That savage f-class is a factory rifle retailing at around $1200 bucks. It's a pittance compared to some of the costs of the custom rifles they were going against.

Also, unless I misunderstand the literature, savage is the only company that offers this type of rifle as a factory rifle. It's astonishing that they can get that kind of performance for the cost.

dylan_b 11-11-2009 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner (Post 3503091)
Do you actualy believe that savage, and team savage would go into a world competition with that kind of handicap? its easier to lie.
RR

i think you might be right, the savage target rifles use shaw barrels and ive yet to see a shaw barrel get someone into the top 5 in competition yet.

dylan_b 11-11-2009 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Gags (Post 3503018)
Nothing, but a rifle performing "like a top end" rifle is going to win at that level of competition. That would seem obvious to most.

i never said the rifles werent top level shooters, i just dont believe that the rifle is the x factor in winning a competition. i know that first hand, back in the day i shot my way into the number 5 spot in canadas youth 300 meter prone league with a prototype AIA, it had a chrome lined barrel. before that no one in canada thought that could be done with a chrome lined barrel

Scott Gags 11-11-2009 07:39 PM

Dylans Quote


i never said the rifles werent top level shooters,
You most certainly did say they werent top shooters.

Your first post was:


well, its not a case about a cheap rifle performing like a top end
We all know the the Savage F Class is cheap so you must have been referring to them not performing like a top end rifle.

Scott Gags 11-13-2009 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
Do you actualy believe that savage, and team savage would go into a world competition with that kind of handicap? its easier to lie.
RR


Originally Posted by dylan_b (Post 3503221)
i think you might be right, the savage target rifles use shaw barrels and ive yet to see a shaw barrel get someone into the top 5 in competition yet.

Over on longrangehunting.com on of the members of the team posted the details of the equipment used. They are in fact stock rifles. The actions were hand bedded with devcon, and they added adjustable cheek and but plates to the rifles.

The guy could be lying but I think it would be difficult to do considering your competitors are right next to you on the firirng line and would know what they are looking.

dylan_b 11-16-2009 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Gags (Post 3503268)
Dylans Quote



You most certainly did say they werent top shooters.

Your first post was:



We all know the the Savage F Class is cheap so you must have been referring to them not performing like a top end rifle.

you misunderstood what i was trying to say, i meant that they won because they were good shooters, irregardless of the rifle whether the rifle was cheap or not.

driftrider 11-16-2009 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by dylan_b (Post 3504216)
you misunderstood what i was trying to say, i meant that they won because they were good shooters, irregardless of the rifle whether the rifle was cheap or not.

Just being a very good marksman isn't good enough at that level of competition. I don't care how good you are, if your rifle won't shoot any better than 1.5MOA, you simply will not compete, let alone win. In order to compete, one must both be an outstanding marksman AND have equipment capable of shooting better than the least accurate rifle on the firing line. The point is that the Savage team won not one, but many trophies, with the same rifle that you or I can buy off the shelf, against everyone else shooting custom guns most of us could never hope to afford. I have no doubt that the members of the Savage team are excellent shots, just like every other competitor at that level of competition. The point is that their rifles were able to compete as well, which for a $1200 factory rifle, says a LOT.

Mike

herman 11-16-2009 10:40 PM

My out of the box savage F/TR,308


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