How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
11-12-2008 | 08:28 PM
#11
Typical Buck
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From: Delaware OH USA
RE: How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
Are we talking about a Browning BAR? I would guess 2" accuracy is about normal for this style of gun. You might try shooting with the rest back close to the magazine. What ever you do, rest it the same each time.
Some of the smith advice you have been getting is a bit rough sounding. If you buy it isn't clean,
1) Run a super wet patch down it
1a) Wait 5 min
2) Run a brass brush back and forth completely exiting the barrel on both ends like 10 times
3) Run 1 wet patch, then 2 dry patches, . .alternate until the 2nd dry patch is white or you do this 3 times
Do this first with carbon/powder cleaner like Hoppes #9. Then alternate with a true copper cleaner like Sweets.
After about 3 - 5 cycles, this is as clean as a barrel can get. The run a light coat of bore protectant, CLP in my case.
I would also carefully inspect fired cases with a runout tool. fired cases should have < .001in runout.
I would also inspect the crown with a magnifying glass. Any dings and I would spend the $20 - $50 to recrown and cold blue it.
I would also carefully inspect the bore while cleaning for a rough or extremely loose spot as a sign of a barrel problem.
If there is a good way, it would be worth looking at how the action is locking up. that might be loose somehow.
Bedding, well, I don't think this kind of gun is really bedded per se. The rely on being hand held when shot so bedding matters less. kind of like an old school AR. You might try slipping a hand between your forend and the stock.
Some of the smith advice you have been getting is a bit rough sounding. If you buy it isn't clean,
1) Run a super wet patch down it
1a) Wait 5 min
2) Run a brass brush back and forth completely exiting the barrel on both ends like 10 times
3) Run 1 wet patch, then 2 dry patches, . .alternate until the 2nd dry patch is white or you do this 3 times
Do this first with carbon/powder cleaner like Hoppes #9. Then alternate with a true copper cleaner like Sweets.
After about 3 - 5 cycles, this is as clean as a barrel can get. The run a light coat of bore protectant, CLP in my case.
I would also carefully inspect fired cases with a runout tool. fired cases should have < .001in runout.
I would also inspect the crown with a magnifying glass. Any dings and I would spend the $20 - $50 to recrown and cold blue it.
I would also carefully inspect the bore while cleaning for a rough or extremely loose spot as a sign of a barrel problem.
If there is a good way, it would be worth looking at how the action is locking up. that might be loose somehow.
Bedding, well, I don't think this kind of gun is really bedded per se. The rely on being hand held when shot so bedding matters less. kind of like an old school AR. You might try slipping a hand between your forend and the stock.
11-13-2008 | 07:48 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
ORIGINAL: SWThomas
Have you checked for crown damage?
Have you checked for crown damage?
11-13-2008 | 11:04 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
RE: How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
ORIGINAL: hometheaterman
I'm having problems with my 30-06 not shooting like it should. Just wants to jump all over the 8" target. I took it to a gun smith to see if he could check out the rifling in the barrel as I was afraid it would be shot out. He ran a patch through it and said it was really dirty and one of the worst ones he had seen when it comes to copper fouling. He then proceeded to sell me some Wipe Out clearner stuff to clean it with. He told me to stop using a wire brush as they will scratch the barrel and to use this and he thought it would solve my problem.
Would this make it jump around that much or does it sound like I have bigger issues? He told me he thought this was what it was. You can see the rifling but I don't know if theirs a way to check it or not. He didn't check it as he just said it looked really dirty. I had been cleaning it with a wire brush then running a patch or two down it. This stuff he sold me has really removed a lot of stuff. You could see copper inside the barrel as he showed us and you can no longer see it but it's still coming out a little on the patch so I'm going to have to keep on doing it.
Do you guys think this will solve my issues?
Also found out my Leupold scope seemed to be bad but we put my spare Burris on which to my surprise is much clearer looking and I like it a ton better. Anyway, Put it on and it fixed the issue of the scope seeming to self adjust but it seems to still jump around some. I'm hoping this fixes the issues but what do you guys think? Would copper fouling make it jump around that bad?
I'm having problems with my 30-06 not shooting like it should. Just wants to jump all over the 8" target. I took it to a gun smith to see if he could check out the rifling in the barrel as I was afraid it would be shot out. He ran a patch through it and said it was really dirty and one of the worst ones he had seen when it comes to copper fouling. He then proceeded to sell me some Wipe Out clearner stuff to clean it with. He told me to stop using a wire brush as they will scratch the barrel and to use this and he thought it would solve my problem.
Would this make it jump around that much or does it sound like I have bigger issues? He told me he thought this was what it was. You can see the rifling but I don't know if theirs a way to check it or not. He didn't check it as he just said it looked really dirty. I had been cleaning it with a wire brush then running a patch or two down it. This stuff he sold me has really removed a lot of stuff. You could see copper inside the barrel as he showed us and you can no longer see it but it's still coming out a little on the patch so I'm going to have to keep on doing it.
Do you guys think this will solve my issues?
Also found out my Leupold scope seemed to be bad but we put my spare Burris on which to my surprise is much clearer looking and I like it a ton better. Anyway, Put it on and it fixed the issue of the scope seeming to self adjust but it seems to still jump around some. I'm hoping this fixes the issues but what do you guys think? Would copper fouling make it jump around that bad?
IF you use cotton flannel cloth cleaning patches and a GOOD SOLVENT to clean according to the instructions on the bottle after each session of shooting the rifle, you can keep the bore clean. Yes, a heavily fouled bore can indeed make the gun "shoot all over the place"!!
How often do you clean the bore? How have you been doing it??
11-13-2008 | 12:37 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
Well, I had been cleaning it after shooting each day but I wasn't getting it very clean. Just started using this stuff which seems to get it clean and I've been shooting 30 rounds or so through it maybe 40 then cleaning when I get home.
11-13-2008 | 04:45 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Eastern PA
RE: How do you clean your barrels? Does this sound like my issue?
OK I would have to say that maybe your problem may be your shooting technique. Like one of the previous post suggest, (and I assume you are shooting off sandbags), put the front rest back on the receiver (magazine) and shoot it that way. You may be applying different pressure on the barrel and changing the harmonics which will affect accuracy.
