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I like to here from guys who shoot the 30-06 with 165 grain sp bullet
7mm-08 using 139 grain sp
I like to here your views on recoil between the above cal.?
I was thinking in going with the 7MM-08 Rem only for the reason too reduce recoil due to recent neck surgery

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Heck,for deer sized game, the 7mm-08 is a fine round, whether you have had neck surgery or not...:D

Go with a full sized gun and good recoil pad and I bet it won't bother you...

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Gas operated Browning BAR (.30-06) has less recoil than my .270.
Maybe look at the style / type of gun?
No experience with the 7mm-08...

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The 7mm08 has a sweet light recoil.. I have had 2 of them.. Latest on is a ruger compact.. You wont be disappointed in the 7mm08

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30-06 in remington 700 is no problem off hand or while hunting. At the bench for extended range time I always use a extra shoulder mounted recoil pad for everything except 22 and 243 due to the angle of the gun when bench shooting. Also make sure you use good hearing protection. I use foam plugs under my ear muffs and together they kill almost all sound. I found that 3/4 of myrecoil problems turned out to be noise induced flinching. Once I started using both plugs and muffs my groups shrank tremendously.Hope it helps.

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I had cervical spine surgery Sept. 14th of 06. I was restricted until I begged the doc. to let me hunt with a promise of padding my shoulder. I bought a simms / limbsaver slip-on recoil pad and put it on my Rem. Model 7 -- 7mm-08 . It worked great. Killed 3 deer. I did take the pad off and try it. It was sharper, but manageable, though I still put the pad back on, it felt that much better. But for the cost, a slip on pad is a great help, and safety precaution. Back or Neck surgery is nothing to take a chance with.

But I have been shooting the 7mm-08 for 16 + years, and it is a wonderful deer round. I do have experience with other rounds too, as I also have and shoot .270 , 30.06, .308, .243 and muzzleloaders. The 7mm-08 is definitely the better round for your situation .... over the 30.06. Been there - done that. And yes thats is 165 gr. in the 30.06 and 139 gr. in the 7mm-08. Don't take a chance. I am reinjured right now, after being hit in a head on collision. on Feb 14th. I am back to seeing my Neurosurgeon, and everything in my neck and back hurts. ...... Probably facing another myelogram soon. Have numbness and tingling down both shoulders, arms and hands.

I am speaking from experience ..... don't take the chance of messing something up. and if you need any more specific information ... feel free to pm me. I'll help any way I can.

Good luck in your recovery....

God Bless

Michael

PS ... Muzzle breaks help recoil but they also kill your hearing very quickly. I had one and a few shots later it was gone. It hurt bad.... nuff said.

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I have no experience with the 30-06 but I sure like shooting my 7mm-08. Makes for a good cartridge to shoot at the range...

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A 30-06 firing a 165 grain bulletwill have about 70% more recoil than the 7mm-08 firing a 140 grain bullet assuming they are fired out of the same rifle.... IE: both shot out of a Remington 700 CDL.

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I'm not sure the difference would be quite that dramatic. There's some good info here:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Lonewolf: If you want nice mild recoil in a rifle that packs enough punch for deer, the .243 Win. fits the bill perfectly. 1/3 less recoil than a 7mm-08, and, at least in my experience, performs just as well on deer as my now retired 30-06 used to...

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If you like the 30-06 and are concerned about the recoil take it to a gunsmith and install a muzzle break. If your looking for an excuse to buy a new rifle the 7-08 would be a fine choice. I would pick a 243 but that is personal preference.

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12.5foot pounds for the 7mm-08 vs. about 19 for the 30-06 is 65%. could be more could be less. I was a touch high but was just guestimating in my head. [8D]

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Don't sweat it brother, none of us are THAT perfect .... though some might like to think it.:D

Your numbers were close enough in my book. Heaven forbid anyone is ever .1 ft / lb, or so, off on something. And we should all give up if we are 1 or 2 % off in our guesstimate.

God Bless

MET

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Im 14 years old and i can shoot a 30-06 w/muzzle break with ease.

Mysavage has a muzzle break that you can turn on and off if you decide you dont like it.
The muzzle breakcame with the gun and i purchasedthe gunfor $400

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I have Savage 110 in 30/06 and shoot 165 gr's out of it. I also have a Steyr Mannlicher 1903 in 7 X 57, and i shoot 140 grain handloads out of it. The loads I cook for it are moderate velocity, so the comparison to the factory 30/06 and my moderate speed handloaded 7 X 57 will be decent.
I will tell you that the difference is noticable enough that a session at the range with the lighter recoiling Steyr is very much appreciated. I can handle either nicely as they fit me well, but the 7 X 57 is a pleasure to shoot. I know that's not the same as the 7mm/08, but somewhat in the ballpark.

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http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/lonewolf5347/30-06target001.jpg
the 30-06 is already on the low end of FPS the above is IMR 4350 50.0 grains 2300 FPS
My other load that shoot as good as the above is IMR 3031 44.5 I yet to shoot the centerfire rifle but i did get out and try my 38-55 my load is 262 grain cast and 28.0 grains of IMR 3031 recoil is this cal. is mild fps around 1450
I still won't handle a centerfire rifle for a few more months :The surgery did removing 2 disk from my neck C5 threw C7 I have to say about 60 percent better then what it use to be.I find the stiffness more of a problem then the push of the rifle.I am going to try my 50 cal M/L before I get back into rifle shooting .
I would jump on the 7x57 mauser round again but H@R stop making that cal. some time back in the barrel add on program.I think I will send my action out on monday and have them fit the 7MM-08 to the action

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Same surgery I had .... C5 - C7.

MET

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Recoil can be attributed to several factors. Cartridge selection is just one of the variables. For some one to say that a 30-06 has a certain percentage of felt recoil, as compared to a 7-08, without taking into account all the felt recoil factors is just flat out wrong to do.

Factors that effect felt recoil:
1. Cartridge selection
2. Rifle weight
3. Stock design
4. Recoil reducers
5.Porting
6. Even the shooting technique of the shooter himself.

For some one to say that a 140 grain 7-08 does not recoil is erroneous. Or flat out wrong. If all things are equal then a 140 will recoil less than a 165 in a 30-06, but rarely are all things equal.

You can reduce felt recoil considerably by going to a thumb hole stock. I shoot 165 grain bullets in my 30-06 with a well designed thumb hole stocked Encore. Recoil is very manageable.

There are very many ways to reduce recoil and still shoot a 30-06. If you truly need to do away with recoil then you need to drop down to a 223 Remington. Even a 22-250 has noticably more recoil than the 223. Tom.

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Since I am the only one that listed a percentage of recoilI will assume you are talking about my post. I will also assume that you didn't read the entire post. :eek:And didn't get to the end of that sentence or the next.

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To echo bigbulls sentiments I hunted for several years with a 30-06 using 180 and 165's. I now flip back and forth between a 7-08, 270 win, and 300 Sav. The 7-08 has significantly LESS recoil than the 06 and noticeably less than the 270 and just a touch lessthan the 300 Sav. You'd never hear any complaints on the 7-08 from me. Its an outstanding deer round...at least for me.

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I guess I was going at the math from the wrong side of the equation. Looking at the numbers, I figured the 7mm-08 had roughly 2/3 the recoil of the .30-06, so the 06 was about 1/3 more... I understand the math, it just seems strange to say that the .30-06 has 65% more recoil than the 7mm-08, but the 7mm-08 has 35% less recoil than the .30-06...

Michael... Going through all that sarcasm regarding my post, followed by "God bless" to bigbulls seems just a tad incongruous...

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Wow, a bit touchy aren't we. If I was directing a remark toward you I would specify that. However I was not directing my remarks toward you..

I was trying to say exactly what I said. Their are too many factors that effect felt recoil, besides cartridge choice.

Your comment about the percentage difference is just one factor, as you pointed out. Tom.

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Maybe I am a bit touchy. Here lately it seems that now matter what you say it gets twisted somehow.

Sorry

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I certainly agree with nyorange. The 30-06 does not kick hard but the noise is what scares people. You can use a LimbSaver recoil pad (they really work) , and avoid extensive bench shooting. In bench shooting position, your shoulder is taking all the recoil. Try to use shooting stix and shoot in seated position. In that position your entire back will give a little and you will feel less recoil in the shoulder area.

Good luck.

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I'll tell you a long time ago my Dad bought me an 06' and I went to it from a 7x57 shooting the 139s to the 150 in the 06' . The 7x57 was a chopped Chilian Mauser the 06' a brand new Savage 110 and that Savage did me just plain wrong I was black and blue every time we went to the range . I guess it never occured to us to put a recoil pad on it . My shooting suffered for it and the 06' sat in the closet for ...... well a long time and I was young and dumb........... I shot the 6" group 7x57 instead of the 2" 06' because I didn't get beatup by the steel plate and could shoot a full box and then 20 -25 20 ga. on claysand only be spotty not bruised .

Suffice it to say that the 7x57 was a much lighter recoiling rifle perhaps a half a # heavier . With a good recoil pad and some wieght added for range duties your 7mm-08 could be as tame as any 22-250.

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A rifle that fits properlyand good shooting posture and techniquefor the range accounts for much of what people complain of or think is wonderful when it comes to "felt recoil".

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Ditto on this link. There are different factors that do affect recoil such as rifle weight, stock design, etc. but you're probably looking at getting the same rifle (weight, stock, etc.) and just deciding on caliber at this point. My buddy has shot the .243 for years on deer and swears by it. Even shooting a 100 grain bullet, the .243 is about 1/3 less recoil than the 7mm-08. Good luck with the surgery and your caliber selection.

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i have both a 30.06 M70 and a savage 7mm-08. I started hunting with the 7mm-08 due to tendenitis in my shoulders from lifting weights when i was younger. I recently put a recoil pad on my 30.06 and it made a night vs day difference. You may notice that the 7mm-08 has a sharper recoil but manageble. So much more that i hunt deer with my 7mm-08 all the time now. It has become my favorite caliber. My 30.06 will be used if i ever hunt bigger than deer.

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Yep, the 30-06 recoils very hard in the handi-rifle, shot one once in that caliber, didn't like it much.

7mm-08 is a good choice, 260 remington as good if not better (I prefer 6.5mms).

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In similar rifles the difference in recoil between the '06 165gr and 7-08 139 gr is like night and day. The '06 will recoil noticably more. I've have neck surgery in '89 (C3&C4). Except for some arthritis, I have no problems. I shoot everything from .17s up to 375 H&Hand my MLs, 3 1/2" shotguns and I've even shot my cousin's 460 WM. My neck has stayed intact. (Can't say the same for my brains). Listen to your Dr. May be all you might need is time to heal and get back to business as usual.