Weatherby Sub MOA Stainless
 

Iam looking at a weatherby sub MOA stainless in 270wsm have you had or shot one and what didyou think??

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Had one in 300 wsm last year. Shot extremely well. Only change I made to it was change out the trigger for a Timney SS trigger. I was not crazy about the stock. I also had a vanguard ss in 270WSM which shot just as well as the submoa. If I had to do it all over again . I would just buy the 270WSM SS vanguardadd a timney trigger and put it in a bansner stock.

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what didnt you like about the stock??
I thought the triggers were adjustable?? Why didnt you like it??
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I'm not certain but I believe the sub moa esp the stainless.....will cost you what you can get a MK V for, ie the synthetic mk V, or even fibermark, though they don't come in the WSM's....

They do come in non weatherby cartridges though too, just not the WSM's, something to possibly consider....for that price....

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The stock is a little full for my hands is the best way I can describe it, feels clubby. The trigger is adjustable if your trigger has a lot of creep and you try to remove it(sear engagement) if you go to far you'll make the safety inoperable. That involves taking the trigger apart and making small adjustments to trigger until you get the sear the way you want it. I went the Timney route. Your results may vary. BTW you'll outshoot any MK V using the same cartridge.

They come in both Weatherby cartridges(.257 and 300 wthby) as well as a long list of standard and magnumcartridges, they might even bring it out in 270 Wthby next year. I paid 750 for my SubMOA . Can you buy a Weatherby MK V for that amount with the fibermark stock? Again posting on something you have no idea about.

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$750 for a sub moa stainless? let's just say on avg it'll cost you $800. You can get a MK V synthetic for $1000, not a big difference. Fibermark will cost you closer to $1200.

So sure you can get .270wsm, .257wby, .300wby in a Vanguard....

or you can get whatever in a MKV synthetic....except the WSM's.

olkelk you have alot of nerve to keep spectulating on what I know or don't know, and here you clearly are uninformed once again. The point of my comment was for that price, $750 or 800, for an extra $200 you can get a MK V in any wby cartridge as well as many others. Point made.

Maybe you should think harder before you are quick to dispute what I say. Course maybe to you $800 vs $1000 is a big deal, to me, it's the same ball park.

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Watch out now you'll hurt my feelings. I don't have to speculate on your firearm knowledge , it is pretty obious what you do and don't know. I don't have to do a google search when someone wants an answer to something if I know the answer I tell them what I know and if I don't then I don't bother answering someones post.You see the difference between you and I is I have owned every Weatherby MkV you havelisted and a few Vanguards including the SUBMOA which makes me imminently more knowledgeable on the subject don't you think? I don't knoweverything about guns but what I know I will share.

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I thought you said on many occassions that you were in your teens have don't have that many guns? Man, I have seen you give advise on so many guns that you don't even own. You even give advise on calibers you have never shot.

I know for sure, he has you pegged right.

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It's alright fellas, every time I try to ask him questions about his experience, or his age, he always dodges me. It's fairly obvious that he has no idea what he is talking about, and that he has learned most of these things by reading up on the internet, as opposed to actually experiencing them. He isn't fooling anybody, I'm just glad i am not the only one who can see through his BS

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One of the guys I work with has a SUBMOA in .257 Weatherby. He speaks very highly of it...

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Hey Ridge ,I guess we are keyboard commandos also:D:D;).It has taken me over ten years to get just over a thousand.even with an I.D. # of 531................HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Thanks guys for your answers, those of you fighting need not highjack a thread like you did.

I handled the 270wsm and I can see where the stock isnt as trim as a HS precision or a Bell and Carlson but the rifle is only $819 and the trigger had no creep and broke at about 4# which is fine for me and hunting.

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Fighting your kidding right? Just trying to clarify some misinformation spread by the unknowningso you can get the real picture on what they are and aren't.

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I dont want to stir something up here but is there really a difference between a Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA and a regular synthetic vanguard???

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bob,

allvanguards are shot/tested to shoot 1.5MOA or less, weatherby came up with the marketing scheme to set aside those vanguards that shot well, ie sub-MOA aside and sold at a premium, so they are no different partwise, but they do shoot better. If a reg vanguard shot sub-MOA it would have been set aside....and sold as "sub-moa"

It may be possible with handloading to get a regular vanguard to shoot Sub-moa.

I read an article on Jarret rifles....perhaps on their website, when he began his work accuracy was and still is the goal of every rifle. He built rifles from stock barrels....and said something like it came to the point where only 1 in 3 factory barrels were meeting his requirements.....which is why he began producing his own....that only goes to show that all the barrels came from the same production line etc....but some just happened to be better than others....

I think the more sub MOA a rifle can shoot the better. anything under 1.5 to me is good/ok, but anything under .30 caliber I'd like to see under 1 MOA. I know most factories which guarantee 1/2moa or 1moa only do so up to .30 caliber usually....

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Yeah i dont know why i would pay the extra money to get a gun that shoots good at the factory because my loads are gonna be different for it anyway.

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never said jarret used howa barrels....but at one time he did in fact use"factory barrels" to produce his rifles...and in the process not all of the factory barrels made the cut to his standards.

according to weatherby...."the vanguard is the only factory rifle that comes with a factory-shot target as your assurance of guaranteed accuracy"

I guess weatherby is lying? They just randomly grab rifles from the vanguard line and declare them as "sub-moa" perhaps you yourself should do more research of your own.

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"The first step came in the late 80’s when Kenny found that 27% of the barrels he bought from the best in the business would not shoot to his standard of sub one minute"

http://www.jarrettrifles.com/about_us.aspx

someone's foot in their mouth? ohhhhh

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Course you can continue to misquote me then claim I said something incorrect. Never said Jarret used howa barrels. Nor a 5 grand rifle with a howa barrel.

May want to rely on stating your own opinions in the future, rather than trying to debunk what I say as incorrect when you're not even sure whether its true/false and it comes out as truth.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: salukipv1


according to weatherby...."the vanguard is the only factory rifle that comes with a factory-shot target as your assurance of guaranteed accuracy"




I don't know about now, but Savage used to include a target with every centerfire rifle about 18 years ago. It's a nice selling point to see the results from the factory bench.

And Hey Swampdog! We're in about the same boat,... I've been around the same length of time as you and I'm nowhere neaer the post totals of some newbies. we've both survived a couple crashes that stole our posts, but I still wouldn't be up there with some others. I think I'm member # 569

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Cheer up guys... The ignore button works great on this forum.

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saluk, one question. Do you own any of these rifles, you give advise on?

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The Submoa shoot less then .99 groups . I have looked at test targets from both submoa and regular vanguards...the submoas were one ragged hole in all the cases I looked at. I think they are done in a machine rest andalmost positive about that. I know that Mr Yamaoke has signed a lot of darn targets on the ones I see and he would have one sore shoulder if he fired all the vanguards that leave that plant. I think the barrelled action is then shipped to California and the stock is put on . They put a dollop of glass bed on the front action lug. They can shoot lights out is all I know. The action is one of the strongest bolt actions out there and simple to field strip. The trigger is horrible...I called Weatherby about that and asked if they could do something about the creep and they said for 50 dollars + or minus they would adjust it but no guarantees on the creep. That was not a good enough answer so I ordered the Timney SS replacement trigger. It came from the factory with a 3lb pull measured on my RCBS trigger gauge. 30 rounds or so later the trigger started dropping in weight and then the safety became inoperable. The batch of triggers from timney either had no heatreating on the sears or the job was not done properly. They promptly replaced the trigger. My experience with Vanguard/Howa triggers has been anyone that a gunsmith did was just OK but the Timney makes it feel like a another gun. I know 200 posters will come on here and tell me how that can't be but that is the facts after owning a lot of Vanguards/Howa 1500's.

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I don't use the ignore button much myself because sometimes I need a good laugh . This guy cannot be taken seriously.

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I love sitting back catching a good laugh about 3 times + a day from him anyway! :D

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+1 yep you can just by a regular vanguard put a bansner stock on it and have it bedded and painted and I think you still end up with a very accurate rifle with a nicer stock.