7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Can some of you folks who have experience shooting the 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win. Mag.give me some insight on how much difference in recoil I would see between the 2 calibers.
I'm looking at the Browning Stainless Stalker and the Remington CDL

Anyinfo would be appreciated

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

If your worried about recoil, why don't you just go with a 7mm08 or 308.. Same calibers with a lot less recoil..

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I do not notice recoil at all with a 7 mag not anyone of the dozen or so that I have owned. I have owned just a few 300 win mags and every one ranged from stout (Savage) to almost manageable( Model 70) . I don't know about most shooters but I make a mental checklist before every shot on an animal...starting with is the eyepiece the correct distance from my eye and working my way down to a nice slow trigger squeeze. I found I get stuck on point 1 almost all the time when I am shooting a 300 win mag or more powerful.

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Cartridge to cartridge they are pretty close in recoil with factory ammo. The 300 will be heavier, but not by a lot. But as OldElkHunter said you can tell the difference.

IMO the browning will have more perceived felt recoil. This is in part due to the stock material, and stock design. I also believe it is a bit lighter than the Remington?? I have never owned one of the CDL'S, but I think they are a sharp looking rifle. Tom.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I've got the CDL in .30-'06, and I think it'samazing what the R3 recoil pad does to reduce felt recoil. I fired my rifle side-by-side with an '06 BDL, and the difference was unbelieveable.

Weight definitely helps with recoil, but I think fit is probably even more important. If you find that one comes more naturally to your shoulder than the other, it's likely you'll have less perceived recoil with that one.

FC

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

7mm rem mag is comparable to a 3006, very tolerable. 300wm is a step up and at the point where comfortshooting maybe surpassed, like oldelkhunter mentions. The 300wm isn't terrible, I have just found it to be the place where recoil complaints start toshow upmore frequently.

As far as rifle design, fit is the most important thing. If the stalker fits you better then CDL then it will feel less & vice versa. If equal my experience is similar to Tom's (HEAD0001) browning abolts hits me a little different then M700's do, so I feel it a little more. The fact the CDL comes equipped with the R3 (sims pad) is a bonus but you can get one for any rifle so wouldn'tbe the deal maker over fit/feel and personal likes. Both are excellent choices. Howeverthe CDL isn't offered in 300wm for the LH version, so if you truly want CDL& 300wm your in a pickle.

From what you said(previous post)wanted the rifle for its not a matter of cartridge its a matter of what fits you right and then going with whichever cart. you want/like. Since you said you've always liked the .280 rem, you can either buystandard long actionand have it chambered to 280rem, look for a custom on places like gunsamerica, etc or buy a 7mm rem mag. If your not going to reloadtheRem Magwould be a good choice IMO as more load offerings for a wide range of applications (yet uses the same .284 cal bullets you like);).

Good Luck

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Thanks for all the info folks....keep it comin'

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

My 7 mm has about 85% of the muzzle energy of my .300 WM, and surprise, surprise, it kicks about 85% as much.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I'd say what you'd actually feel they would be about the same if you're shooting 175gr from the7mm and 180gr from the .300, by the way, just get a .300

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Not really an apples to apples comparison as the 175gr /284 is in the heavy for cal and the 180gr/.308 is not. Be more accurateor comparable if you usebullets with similar sectional density.
Ie:
154-160gr. 284 vs .180gr .308
or
175/.284 vs 200/.308

Slice it any way you like, the 300wmuses heavierbullet weight+ more powder in the case = more free recoil produced(assuming the rifles are comparable in weight)! Whether it will cause any problems nobody can say for sure. The only way to know for sure is shooting them both and comparing.I notice thedifference though it doesn't effect me (definately tolerable), however everybody is different in this regard.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

For some reason my Vanguard in 7mm Rem Mag is a slobberknocker....I dont shoot it too many times without feeling it. That is shooting the 175's in it though.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Different design stock I guess may cause that



Exactly . I may also add that shooting at game with a 7 rem mag and a 300 win mag all these years and I have yet to see a clearcut difference between them none at all if you ask me. I think the original designer of the 7 Rem mag knew what he was doing when this cartridge was designed. On the other hand my 300 WSM is easier to control from the bench 180 grain @ 2950 and I find more accurate then the 300 WIN.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Yes, I can. To be fair about such a comparison, it would be necessary to shoot the 7mm Rem. Mag.with a maximum load of the heaviest bullet it will handle, then rebarrel the rifle with an identical weight barrel in .300 Win. Mag., then shoot a maximum load with it using the most comparable bullet weight in the .300. Right??

So we'll use a 175-grain bullet in the 7 Mag., and a 180-grainer in the 300 Win. Mag. Only five grains difference, and with max loads (NOT factory loads!!) in each, almost the same MV's as well!

My 7mm Rem. Mag. (26" Ruger No. 1B) will attain a MV of 3070 FPS with a 175-grain bullet. And, it is possible to fire a 180-grain bullet at 3100 FPS from a 26" .300 Win. Mag.

So, I'm going to use the formula at:

http://www.biggameinfo.com/RecoilCalc.aspx

to do my calculations. My 7mm Rem Mag., loaded, weights 8.5 pounds with scope mounted and sling. IT produces 28 foot-pounds of recoil. The .300 Win Mag., shooting that 180-grainer at 3100 FPS from a rifle identical in every way with my 7 Mag. produces 30.9 foot-pounds, assuming it takes 5 more grains of powder to do it.

So what is 3 more foot-pounds of recoil?? Considering that the .220 Swift has around 6 foot-pounds, this extra 3 foot-pounds is totally insignificant!

What really matters here is the shape of the stock, how it fits you and how this recoil is applied to your body. I have fired lever-action .30/30's that cracked my cheekbone pretty badly, and .300 Weatherbys and .300 Rem. Ultra-Mags that were downright pleasant to fire. So if you are considering buying a 7mm Rem. Mag. instead of a .300 due to recoil considerations, just be sure to get a stock on whatever you buy that will not beat you up when you are shooting.(Personally, I do not believe there's enough difference between the way either of these rounds perfoms on game to really prefer one over the other-just put the bullet where it belongs, and either will do the job!)

If you want to compare other ammo, gun weights, velocity levels, etc.,just go on that site & plug in the numbers!

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I have shot several rifles in both. I've found that shooting position has a lot to do with recoil... always does. Bench and prone hurt in a heavy hitter. Next consideration is weight, lighter the rifle, harder the punch. Followed closely by stock configuration and recoil pad. Lastly, bullet weight... just my experiences. The build of a shooter has a lot to do with how much recoil you can take as well... not to mention practice and experience with such things.

Having acctually shot Browning A-bolts in both calibers on the same day, I can say that there is a difference in punch, at least I thought there was. There is no difference in blast. They are both loud, and noise makes me want to jump more than kick. Shooting them kneeling, offhand, or supported standing, I don't think either are that terrible. Sit on the bench, and you can tell the 300 from the 7mm. Someone posted up 85%..... I guess if I could quantify it that would be close. It ain't much, but its there and you can tell.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

One effective solution, put some time in with 338's, 375's, 416's, etc. etc. and all of a sudden you'll find BOTH the 7mmRemMag and the 300WinMagto bejust plumb easy and a pure joy to shoot recreationally.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Thats kinda what happened with me ironically....:D

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

PUT PERFECTLY. I wish people would just throw their charts away and get out and shoot what they have. Tom.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I notice the differance between my 300WM and my mom's 7RM. I can only stand to shoot about 15-20 rds from a bench with my 300, I can shoot her 7mm all day. Hers is a stainless stalker and mine is a Ruger M77 mk2 laminate.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Many years ago i decided to build a switch bbl rifle, using a left hand 700 Rem. action and numerous Douglas bbls, to test bullets with. All of the bbls were full sizeblanks, the same length and diameter so the same stock could be used. I had a Lyman target scope on this gun.

As i was into bullet design/mfg., and living in Alaska,i was testing heavy bullets for DG. My test showed me that the 175 NP from a 7mm Rem. mag. out performed many of the bigger calibers.

One day i was testing the 300 Win. mag. with 200 NP's against the 7 Rem. with 175 NP's. I fired the 7mm and then switched the bbl to the 300 Win.Mag.. First thing i noticed was enough added recoil that i had to be VERY carefull to keep from having the scope hit me. I was surprised how much more recoil the 300 had over the 7mm, and the 7mm 175 NP would do anything the 300 with 200 NP's would do in my test.

When i got back to the shop that evening, the first thing i did was to change out the Lyman scope to a Weaver T seriesthat hadmore eye relief.

DM

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

So the 7MM Mag with 175's would handle most anything on the continent?My Weatherby shoots them better than it does anything I have tried so far. Seems only right that with a case capacity that large it would like the heavier bullets.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I have a Browning A-Bolt Stalker in 7mm Rem Mag, and one of my hunting buddies has a Browning A-Bolt Stalker in 300 Win Mag. I sight in his gun for him every year, and I can tell you the 300 has more of a sharper "hit" to the shoulder, and the 7mm has more of a steady "push" in recoil. Both have the same muzzle blast, and the same muzzle flip.

I've never shot a Remington bigger than 30-06, so I can't help ya out much. Other than the Remington 30-06 was alot easier on my shoulder than a Savage, or Ruger M77 30-06.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

This is absolutely correct, and is a good way to prepare to shoot all the non-Magnums under .338 caliber......

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

It's also a good way for many shooters to end up with a flinch.

DM

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I have no doubt about what you say here. But I have noticed this same difference in the same rifle just by using two different type powder's. I really believe all the other variables make the difference in felt recoil between these two cartridge's. But obviously the 7RM should have slightly less felt recoil when comparing apples to apples. Tom.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Yeah I load RL-22, and 140gr Nosler Accu Bonds for my deer loads. I can't remember what I was shooting for him. I think they were 150gr something or others. So there was a 10gr difference in bullets, and his is all factory ammo, so I have no clue on the powder.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Thats a decent example. I'd say as well its a lot like shooting an over/under shotgun (not as far as the amount of kick is concerned), but you can tell a difference between the bottom barrel and the top barrel... its more muzzle rise than anything... and its not a heck of a lot, but you can tell if you pay attention to it. Same as shooting a light weight semi-auto shotgun, then switching to a pump gun in the same gauge. Its just a bit different.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

Most rifle manufacturers 7mm and 300 WM rifles are using the same action, so this post assumes equal weight/design rifles.

The 300 win mag produces approx 500 ft/lbs more of KE. In general there is a price to be paid for that additional performance, even when the bullets are the same weight.The recoil relates more closely to the ft lbs of momentum generatedthan it does to the KE.

Soa 300 WMfiring a 150 grain bulletmay have similar recoil to a 7mm Rem mag with a 175 grain bullet even thought the WM has greater KE. However when you move to the 200+ grain end of the win mag ammo and then evaluate the two rifles there will be significantly more recoil in the 300 WM. This is even true when the KE values of the 150 and 200 grain bullets are equal.

IThe answer depends on what end of the bullet weight spectrum you are looking to use in each cartridge.

RE: 7mm. Rem Mag VS. .300 Win. Mag.....RECOIL????
 

I have Rem 700 in 300 saum and with the R-3 recoil pad I don't think the recoil is bad at all. Heck of a lot better than my 870 super mag and 3.5" shells.