Porting VS Muzzle Break
 

What are the Advantages and disadvantages of porting vs a muzzle break?
Thanks
~Deric

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Porting does almost nothing for recoil. Porting is simply to lessen muzzle jump so you can reaquire the target quicker.

A brake softens the recoil but also creates huge amounts of noise levels and muzzle blast.

If you can't shoot a particular gun with out a muzzle brake then you are shooting too much cartridge.

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Agreed with bigbulls. My .270 has porting, and it shoots liek a dream, its a BAR semi auto, which I hear semi autos dont have the accuracy of bolts, which I tend to agree, though the .270 is known for accuracy, the accuracy I get out of my 270 auto with porting is crazy.In a sense porting may make you think the gun kicks less due to less muzzle rise. May increase accuracy, I believe should make it louder though not sure of this one, certainly a brake increases noise.

I read a muzzle brake actually reduces "felt recoil" though real recoil, and that felt by the scope is always more if not twice, since the gun kicks when it goes off and once those gasses hit the brake, the try and make the gun go the other direction kinda like pushing someone then pulling em right back. I have a brake on my abolt, though nowadays I won't be buying a brake again. I'd consider porting, though I feel a good rifle needs neither. And I haven't found a rifle in my adulthood that the kick scares me, so.

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With a break you can open and shut it, I use mine open on the range and closed when hunting, for the noise more than anything. You might ask, why bother? If I want to shoot a box of shells at the range I can enjoy it more with less recoil, and on my rifle it reduces about 40% felt recoil. Hunting I shoot once.

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Very few muzzle brakes can be turned on and off.The one used by savage is the only one that I know of.Even so,turning off the brake can effect the point of impact,so the gun must be sighted in with the brake off,or removed,if you intend to hunt with the brake off.

RE: Porting VS Muzzle Break
 

Since im a kid im not as "beastly":) as you guys when it comes to handling recoil and it just makes me a more confident shooter when i have a muzzle break. So porting doesnt do anything for recoil and it just reduces muzzle jump?
Thanks for the help
~Deric

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What cartridge are you shooting that it hurts bad enough to use a brake?

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The extreme noise from a braked rifle can cause a flinch as easily as recoil can.

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A lotof the time the muzzle blast and noise actually makes people flinch more thanthe kick does.

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Heavy 25-06 loads kicked alot more than i thought it would and when im shooting a gun with a muzzle break i dont really notice the difference in noise. (i know its significantly louder though) too me all guns are loud ... just in different ways :D
~Deric

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Keep shooting a braked rifle without hearing protection,and you won't hear anything anymore.

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Positive know thyself attitudes like yours usually lead to great accuracy and great success... I applaud you for going about it the right way! ;)

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Why would i shoot a braked rifle without hearing protection? :eek:

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+1.....

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Do you always wear hearing protection when you hunt?

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[quote]Why would i shoot a braked rifle without hearing protection? :eek:[/qoute]

Thequestion needs to be ....why would I shoot any rifle without hearing protection regardless whether it's on the range or in the field.

The opponents of brakes seem to have the attitude that folks that shoot brake equipped rifles just go around shooting them without hearing protection. Personally, Iwas taught as a very young lad to always shoot with hearing protection whether it's a .22 or whatever. You are fooling yourself if you think that only a rifle shot with brake causes hearing damage, when the fact is any firearm shot without hearing protection can cause permenant hearing loss.


The exteme noise from an un-braked rifle can cause a flinch as easily as recoil can also


It's really not that difficult to to use hearing protection regardless of when and where you are at.
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RE: Porting VS Muzzle Break
 

Using hearing protection can be a handicap when hunting.And in some cases,you don't have time to put on hearing protection before making a shot.

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That's the first I've heard that one. My 7 mag doesn't need a brake, It was on the gun when I got it. I haven't seen any defference inpoint of impactwith the brake open or shut. Interesting.

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Then you obviously don't have a lot of experience with muzzle brakes.:D

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A muzzle break without a doubt will reduce recoil. You'll see porting more on shotguns especially for guys that shoot Trap and Skeet a lot to aid in muzzle jump. Trap and Skeet gunshave a higher comb and hit you in the face a lot harder.

I can't imagine anyone shooting a rifle with a break on without wearing hearing protection. If you use something like the electronic Peltor muffs I see them being more of aid in hunting than a handicap. They actually amplfy sound like the Walker Game Ear and once you make the shot it mutes all audio for a split second. As far as POI change I cant say that I have noticed a change. I like to shoot in at the range with the brake screwed on and the take it off for Hunting. Of course the guys sitting beside you at the range arn't going to be happy at all!

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Yup, Your the expert I'm just a dummy. LOL

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I have enough experience with muzzle brakes to know that they can change the point of impact.Apparently you don't.:D

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A muzzle BRAKE is just what the name implies-a brake. It directs powder gases to the rear to reducerecoil velocity, thus reducing recoil energy as well. A barrel port directs the powder gases UP in order to dampen muzzle rise. IF the ports are cut so that the gases are directed rearward as well, in order to reduce reoil, it is a version of the BRAKE, even if the rear-facing ports are cut into the barrel rather than into a screw-on piece of tubing.......

When a bullet exits the muzzle, one hears the release of the high-pressure gas and the supersonic crack of the bullet. A muzzle brake cannot create any sound in addition to this. What it does is redirect the powder gases (muzzle blast)to the rear, right into the ears of bystanders and the shooter. The effect is that the report APPEARS to be louder to the shooter than it would if the blast was directed away from the shooter toward the target. There is no additional noise, however!! The higher the pressure of the cartridge in use, the worse this muzzle blast effect is!

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When I started shooting high-powered rifles, I was very intimidated when I saw someone shoot one. I thought the recoil would really be punishing, and I developed a flinch right away! I soon discovered though that it was the NOISE AND MUZZLE BLAST that was intimidating, NOT the recoil. After that, my shooting imporoved immensely.....

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"My 7 mag doesn't need a brake" Neither does mine, nor does my .375 H&H. But I have a 7.5-pound Ruger No. 1 .45/70 that could use one with my "bearload", anyway, and I have a .416 Rigby that has one on it. I don't know what that rifle'd feel like if I shot it w/o the brake. I haven't been successful in just unscrewing the thing, so I've left it alone..Wouldn't want to damage it, then find out I need the thing!

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I don't recall where I stated I knew everything about them. I have one rifle with the brake on it, so that's my experence. I could care less that I apparently don't know as much as you on this. Whats up with people that have to try to be little someone that is just tring to learn? Didn't get enough attention when you was growing up?. I come on here to learn. Un like some, I'll never know it all. Give it a rest.

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This is another opinion from some where else. Not Mine, makes sence.

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Exactly as I suspected.I posted;

Notice the words "can effect the point of impact",I didn't say that it would effect the point of impact with all rifles.I have fired several rifles with muzzle brakes,and have owned two myself.In some cases the brake effects the point of impact,and in other cases it does not.I made the post to make people aware that brakes can effect the point of impact,as many people don't know this.

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I put a brake on my 300RUM, and it did effect the point of impact. It made it more consistent, because I lost my flinch. I plan on putting a brake on my 375 H&H before I start shooting it for the same reason. I dissagree with the statement, if you have to put a brake on it , your shooting to much gun. I can handle the recoil, I just don't like it. Nothing wrong with a brake in my opinion!:D

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By your own admission you flinched when firing the 300RUM.I don't consider that "handling the recoil".

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I have to agree with glockman55, you know everything smarta$$. People can't post their opinions without you being an arsehole. You remind me of a teenager, and you crack me up. When you don't see me respond, it's because I'm to busy laughing at you!

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The use of brake to tame recoil due to shootibility is a personal judgement call. I personally will not use a brake rifle due to the increased noise directed at the shooter and those nearby.For me if I can't shoot it unbraked I simply don't. Again strictly my personal judgement/opinion.:D

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You should be laughing at yourself for contradicting your own statements in your posts.:DFirst you say that you can handle the recoil,then you say that it makes you flinch.You aren't doing yourself any favors with your choice of words.

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I come on here to have fun and to see if I can't learn a little something. You come on here to pick people apart and to show off what you think you know. I don't need to do myself any favors by watching my words, because I'm not out to impress people like you are. You just go ahead and keep it up, I know this is the most important thing in your life, so enjoy it however you like! Smarta$$!

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I come here to share information,learn about new products that I haven't used myself,and perhaps pass on some experience that might help others.However I do find posts such as your amusing when you claim to be able to handle recoil,yet admit that it cause you to flinch.You obviously don't realize just how ridiculous that sounds to myself,and to other people.

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Wow guys this is getting intense may i sugest that we all take it down a notch and just calm down. Theres no need to get all mad at eachother we're all here to learn; everyone has different opinions and every one is just as helpful as the next.
Thanks
-Deric

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+1

They are very useful sometimes. I have one on my 7mm Rem Mag, it didn't kick much before, but now its a joy to shoot. And you should wear hearing protection whether your shooting a breaked gun or not, so I don't really see the compliant on noise...

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On the range I agree 100% however in the field I don't wear any hearing protection. Since my rifles aren't breaked the noise isn't sent back rearward so the likelyhood of a single shot in a unconfined space damaging my hearing is significantly less then thatof abraked rifle. If my rifle were braked i wouldwear hearing protection always. I hunt with a guy who suffered hearing loss from 1 shot fired from his braked rifle while moose hunting (his brother who was nearby also suffered hearing loss). Unfortunately for both these gentlemen the loss was not temp. either!

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I never installed a brake yet. I can "handle" my 7.5-pound .45/70 with a load that generates over 2200 FPS with a 400-grain bullet, but I don't LIKE to! I have considered a brake for that rifle. But I am not sure just how much recoil I'd lose, because the majority of that recoil comes from the weight of the bullet, not the jet effect of the gases at the muzzle. I have a .416 Rigby that had a brake on it when I bought it, and I have left it there. But it makes the rifle less handy, for sure. Don't know what it'd feel like without the brake!