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22 guy 01-31-2008 01:08 PM

dangerous game gun
 
Hello everyone, I was wondering what yall use for your dangerous game gun. My family sais a good dangerous game gun is a 30-06, but I want your opinions on the subject,thanks.

RugerM77.270 01-31-2008 01:48 PM

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Depends on what dangerous game you are talking about. A mountain lion is a dangerous game animal but a 243 will drop him fast.

A Grizzly is dangerous game and I wouldn't touch one with less then a 338, and the same goes for African Game.

Retaks 01-31-2008 02:22 PM

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It all depends on what you consider dngerous gme. I usa a 300 WSM for everything i hunt. But ihave never hunted Grizzley or Brown Bears. For them i would go with a 338 Mag minimum but would like to go for a 338 Ultra Mag or 338 Laupua Ma for them. Ive also never hunted in Africa for anything but if i was going to a 375 H&H would be a minimum for dangerous game there but i would prefer atleast a 416 Rigby. Some people around here consider black bear dangerous game. I know people that have killed them with a 25-06 and 270.

Colorado Luckydog 01-31-2008 04:15 PM

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I just bought a 375 H&H, and a 44 magnum as a backup gun. I would rather be over gunned than under gunned any day of the week!

retrieverman 01-31-2008 05:44 PM

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What is the definition of "dangerous game"? I have never been myself, but I know guys go to Africa and shoot everything with a 9.3x62. That being said, I have a 9.3x62 for my Blaser R-93, so I guess that would be my "dangerous game" rifle.

oldelkhunter 01-31-2008 06:09 PM

RE: dangerous game gun
 

Hello everyone, I was wondering what yall use for your dangerous game gun. My family sais a good dangerous game gun is a 30-06, but I want your opinions on the subject,thanks.


Dangerous game in my book is Grizzly,Brown bear,Polar Bear, the African big five,Asian tiger(can't be hunted anyway) anone of which I would be happy to tackle without a very reliable firearm and certainly something larger then a 30-06(although I hear the 22 hornet will do in a pinch).;)

RLoving1 01-31-2008 06:13 PM

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375 or 458 should handle most dangerous game in north America shouldn't it? There a local guy has a Browning Safari grade 458f/s for $1000! Anybody want me to pick it up for them?;)

oldelkhunter 01-31-2008 06:17 PM

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375 or 458 should handle most dangerous game in north America shouldn't it? There a local guy has a Browning Safari grade 458f/s for $1000! Anybody want me to pick it up for them?;)
Will cover all dangerous game on the planet. The browning safari should still be in production that is how much I regard those rifles.

RLoving1 01-31-2008 06:23 PM

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I don't need one or another one really I have a 375 and 458 pre 64 super grade already,can only afford so much abuse! If I had to hunt with the 458 the floor plate would be welded shut! If I was in situation I needed that caliber it would be ugly to pull the trigger and end up with a single shot![8D]

HuntAway 01-31-2008 07:00 PM

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The most dangerous game around is usally taken with a 5.56 mm.;)



salukipv1 01-31-2008 07:31 PM

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Well since you didn't specify, but dangerous begins at grizzly/brown bear, and continues to africa.....starting there, I agree as above, .338 to start, I own a .340 Wby, which they say in alaska, the .338 that is, is the .30-06 to a guy in wisconsin, or the .375h&h if you wer ein africa. personally I can think of no finer a cartridge than the .375H&H to hunt Brown bear, and that would also double as a great african cartridge, can do it all, though on the really big stuff, I'd want more gun. The .458 Lott can be loaded down to .45-70 specs, can make a great all around. My suggestions, .338-.458Lott

FA 02-01-2008 01:17 AM

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45-70 using Garrett's 540gr. hammerheads +P will stop anything on this planet.

Pawildman 02-01-2008 01:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: HuntAway

The most dangerous game around is usally taken with a 5.56 mm.;)




CommonSense 02-01-2008 01:58 AM

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375 H&H, one world, one gun

eldeguello 02-01-2008 06:46 AM

RE: dangerous game gun
 

ORIGINAL: 22 guy

Hello everyone, I was wondering what yall use for your dangerous game gun. My family sais a good dangerous game gun is a 30-06, but I want your opinions on the subject,thanks.
IF you are talking about the "big five" in Africa (Cape Buffalo, elephant, rhino, lion & leopard) if you are the hunter with a PH backing you up, I'd use a .375 like the H&H or Ruger, or a .416 such as the .416 Rigby. For a stopping rifle, nothing under .45 caliber qualifies, and bigger is better, except the leopard does not require an elephant stopper.

For Kodiak, Polar, and big grizzlies, I think the .338 Win. and similar rounds with premium bullets are sufficient, but I'd use my .375 H&H or .416 Rigby for 1000-pound and up bears!

The .30/'06 with heavy premium bullets will kill (and has killed!!) anything on earth with one shot. BUT you must be a superb marksman, AND YOU MUST KNOW YOUR QUARRY'S ANATOMY VERY INTIMATELY, IN ORDER TO KNOW JUST EXACTLY WHERE THE BULLET MUST HIT!! The Inuit kill polar bears with the .22 Hornet and .223 Remington. Jack O'Connor's wife used a .30/'06 to kill her elephant. Bell killed over 800 elephant with a 7X57mm Mauser (275 Rigby).

My recommendation: use the biggest, most powerful rifle you can shoot well. Big bullets don't work if they miss.

JeffS 02-01-2008 08:17 AM

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My recommendation: use the biggest, most powerful rifle you can shoot well. Big bullets don't work if they miss.
That is very true alot of people try to shoot too big of gun and they are scared of the recoil and they start flinching.

cjwink 02-01-2008 10:58 AM

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444 Marlin

eldeguello 02-02-2008 07:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: cjwink

444 Marlin
I would only consider the .444 capable for dangerous game if it was loaded with a bullet of at least 300 grains, and preferably more. Just like the old .405 Winchester, the bullets under 300 grains lack the necessary sectional density for deep penetration on really heavy game such as Cape Buffalo, elephant, etc. For example, when shooting such huge, tough things, T.R. used his big bore double, reserving the .405 for lion and smaller game.

Paul L Mohr 02-02-2008 08:11 AM

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What are we talking here, hunting or self defense? I know plenty of people that hunt large dangerous game (Moose, bear and the likes) with a bow.

If you are talking self defense I can't think of much that will reliably stop a charging grizzly or larger animal in its tracks before it gets to you.

I would say the biggest gun you can shoot and handle well, even if that means a 30-06 or something similar. My grandma used to live in Alaska and she took a 7mm mauser with her when she was doing chores outside like hanging clothes and what not. I huge gun will not do you much good if you can't shoot it well and quickly.

There is always the trusty 12 ga as well.

Paul

retrieverman 02-02-2008 10:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: CommonSense

375 H&H, one world, one gun
You can say the same about the 9.3x62mm, and it one gets "meat" on one end of the gun.

skeeter 7MM 02-02-2008 11:41 AM

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.375H&H works for NA and africa, so it would be the min I'd select for the task. However the .416 rigby if african dangerous game werethe primary consideration.

I don't consider Moose - dangerous game. Personallyharvested themusing a:recurve bow, compound bow,50 cal muzzleloader, 270 win, 7mm rem mag, 300 wby and 338wm. The closest I have ever shot a bull moose was 11steps using my compound bow. They are BIG don't get me wrong, however BIG TREE FALL HARD, beenmy experience when it comes to moose.

CommonSense 02-02-2008 05:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: retrieverman


ORIGINAL: CommonSense

375 H&H, one world, one gun
You can say the same about the 9.3x62mm, and it one gets "meat" on one end of the gun.
Thats true, the 9.3x62 is the minimum for African DG, along with the .375 H&H

oldelkhunter 02-02-2008 06:37 PM

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Thats true, the 9.3x62 is the minimum for African DG, along with the .375 H&H

9.3 is only 36 caliber and I believe most places have a 37 caliber minimum on DG.

SwampCollie 02-02-2008 07:49 PM

RE: dangerous game gun
 


ORIGINAL: eldeguello


ORIGINAL: 22 guy

Hello everyone, I was wondering what yall use for your dangerous game gun. My family sais a good dangerous game gun is a 30-06, but I want your opinions on the subject,thanks.
IF you are talking about the "big five" in Africa (Cape Buffalo, elephant, rhino, lion & leopard) if you are the hunter with a PH backing you up, I'd use a .375 like the H&H or Ruger, or a .416 such as the .416 Rigby. For a stopping rifle, nothing under .45 caliber qualifies, and bigger is better, except the leopard does not require an elephant stopper.

For Kodiak, Polar, and big grizzlies, I think the .338 Win. and similar rounds with premium bullets are sufficient, but I'd use my .375 H&H or .416 Rigby for 1000-pound and up bears!

The .30/'06 with heavy premium bullets will kill (and has killed!!) anything on earth with one shot. BUT you must be a superb marksman, AND YOU MUST KNOW YOUR QUARRY'S ANATOMY VERY INTIMATELY, IN ORDER TO KNOW JUST EXACTLY WHERE THE BULLET MUST HIT!! The Inuit kill polar bears with the .22 Hornet and .223 Remington. Jack O'Connor's wife used a .30/'06 to kill her elephant. Bell killed over 800 elephant with a 7X57mm Mauser (275 Rigby).

My recommendation: use the biggest, most powerful rifle you can shoot well. Big bullets don't work if they miss.

Per normal... I cannot say it any better than eld can.

.375 at a minimum with a PH backing you up with something usually MUCH bigger.

DANTHEHUNTER 02-02-2008 08:23 PM

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I agree wit hthe 45/70 rounds from buffalo bore or garrett.Those two rounds are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just use the higher grain loads

kdvollmer 02-03-2008 12:16 AM

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I bought a .338 Lapua for my any game in North America Gun. I am told by folks that have been to Africa, at lest for some game a .375 is the minimum by law. I am fairly certain that was for cape buffalo, but I am sure that it apples to some others as well.

Good Luck.


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