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I am very interested in purchasing an AR-15. First I had just a few questions. First, I'm not sure, but from a site I looked at I'm getting the impression that I don't need any special liscense, but the dealer I get the gun transferred to must have an FFL. Is that correct?

Also, I'm much more familiar with Remington's and Ruger's than I am with AR manufacturers. Anyone have a suggestion between these two? Or maybe a better one with similar price range?

http://atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=50

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=298

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Never heard for atlanticfirearms. I would suggest going with one of the big companies. Colt, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River. I'll be honest, I haven't opened the link. BUt you can get most of the ones listed above for $1000 or less DEPENDING on the model.

GOod luck

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Ok, sorry, I just opened the links. I would go with the DPMS. That is just my opinion. I have one, and I love it. I didn't think till after I posted that atlantic firearms was the store selling them. (there are just soo many companies now making AR typr Rifles)

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Well the top link is a DPMS, and that is $670.

Any idea on the liscense?

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Lordgunner: I'm not aware of any states that require a special license to acquire an AR. Certainly not required here in Texas. Other states and even cities might have regulations that may apply. California is certainly not AR-friendly. You might get better advice on this issue if you let us know where you live.

As far as the choices you've listed, I think that DPMS has a better rep than Olympic.

You might want to post your questions on one of the forums dedicated to black rifles. I think www.ar15.com is one of the bigger and better forums.

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Thanks for the advice. Haha yeah, Cal. is a little liberal.

I live in Iowa so I'm kind of doubting there are laws.

Also, I tried that website last night, but I'm not able to register because they don't except Yahoo emails. I'll try again though.

Thanks

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That's weird... My link to www.ar15.com is sending me to www.ar-15.com (which I don't think is nearly as good).

Edit: Aaaah... That's better.

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There are alot of options with AR's.
You can buy a complete gun or the Upper and Lower Separately. The lower is the only thing that has to be sent to a FFL. Uppers can be sent directly to your house like a pair of shoes.
I am sure you know the following but just in case it is essential information.
Once you have a lower you can buy any number of uppers from any manufacture(except for colt)and they will fit on that lower, in other word about all AR parts are interchangable from manu-manu.

One thing that is important to consider is what are you planning to use it for?
If you are wanting to use it to varmintor target shoot witha scope then a vamint style upper would be best as they have a flat top rail to mount a scope on.
If you want a gun that looks like one that the millitary uses that you shoot open sights or want to put red dots and flashlights then a service(?) model mightbe better for you.

When I bought my AR this fall I did alot of research and bought my lower separate and decided on a RRA with the National match trigger. For the upper I bought a White Oak Armament 26" varmint Upper. I have less than $1000 in it and I feel like it is really nice.
John at WOA is a top notch guy and is one of the premier upper builders in the country and builds alot of uppers for top national competitors. I remember hearing his uppers did very well at camp perry this year.
Good Luck on your decision.

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Don't get an Olympic, may want to check out CMMG's bargain bin internet specials if you just want a basic model...

Good Brands (as a general rule)
Stag
RRA
Armalite
Bushmaster
DPMS

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have looked at atlanticfirearms they do not make the guns they sell them

i have had tw bushmasters oenw ith a dpms upper

i would go ushmaster or dpms bushmaster being my above all first choice they allow you to use 5.56 or .223 most others willnot allow 5.56 do to the higher power and you can buy 5.56 alot cheaper then .223 if you go surplus
669 not a bad price but i would spend the extra 100 to 150 for a bushmaster

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you do not need any licence just a normal ffl transfer just like you buy a 12 ga when you go to the ffl they do not even tell the fbi what gun your buying i bought a mossberg and they called the fbi and got the ok before i told them wha gun i wonted

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Alright, thanks a lot for the info.

Not to sound like amoron, but say if I did DPMS model that was $670 and I eventually wanted to used for varmins, predators, deer, ect. I could buy a different upper receiver that was capable of mounting a scope on it and put that on my lower receiver?

Also, does $670 seem like a good deal, or are there better deals to be found?

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two thing to that there is a slide mount that you mount ontop of the carry handle to mount a scope bt my thoughts are to buy a ar with a removeable carry handle they do not cost much more and i am sure atlanticfirearmes has one for alittle more
the only thing wrong with the dpms your looking at is the 16 inch barrel which is a little short for long range but thats what i had and it shoot good out to aleast 10 yards which is what i shot it at

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thing one if you live in cal an wont a ar move lol
most state do not have any restictions on ars

i went to florida and live in indiana and took it to florida with me no proplem i just called to atf to make sure

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You are correct on the upper deal. There are just 2 pins that hold the upper to the lower. You can own one lower and 20 uppers if you want. Takes 10 seconds to change.

You mentioned for deer. I think the lowers made to handle the biggerrounds like the 243, 260 and such are made differently like the AR-10.That is unless you mean using the 223 for deer usingsomething like a TSX or something.

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bigtim,
not trying to be a dick, but did you see the post I had below the one you quoted. After I made the one you quoted, i realized that was probably a dealer not a manufacturer.

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There is also the 6.5 grendel and 6.8 SPC cartridge, very capable for deer...

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you can no take a .223 lower and just throw any upper on it you are limited as to caliber you can not take a .223 lower and a 308 upper and have a .308

i asked bushmaster when i had mien and wonted to go to 7.62 they make a 22 kit like lordgunner asked about and a 7.62 upper that can be used on the 5.56 lower which gives you a gun good for varmint a gun good for say a kid or woman to get into deer hunting and the 7.62 a good hunter or big guy can use for hunting

and i would take a AR hunting over any other rifle if i had the choice and the gun was made up right

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i did see that sorry i was not trying to say you were stupid or anything

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Bigtim - When people say 7.62 that refers to 308. So what are you trying to say? I think you are trying to say 7.62x39.....But I may be wrong..

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I did some looking for flat upper receivers that I'd be able to mount a scope on. I saw some for $450 and I saw some for $100. Are the $100 ones to good to be true?

If it is to good to be true, then I'd probably try to get one with a low-pro so I could just mount a scope on right away.

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Just to clarify, there are to my knowlegde, 2 other calibers upper receivers that you can mount on a regular AR-15 lower. the .50 beowolf, and the 6.5 or 6.8 I can't remember on the 6. caliber. I do know though it was designed to be able to just swap out the upper and use the same size magazine as the 5.56 for miltary purposes. The .50 beowolf, base of the cartridge is the same size as a 5.56 so there is nothing to change but the upper. Magazine size is the same as well.
if you choose not to get an upper with a flat top receiver, there is a scopw mount made for the carry handle of an AR-15. If you look at the carry handle, there is a hole drilled trough it. The mount fits right into the top of the carry handle with a bolt that extends down through the hole and a thumb tighten nut that goes on it. Though I would still recommend getting the flat top upper.

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Yes, the $100 ones are most likely just the reciever, no barrel or forearm, and no bolt and charging handle...

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Here is a link to a page that has some wildcat options for building your AR15.

http://www.dtechsuperstore.com/Wildcat.htm

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yes7.62x39 the old ak round bushmaster told me that it and the .223 was the olny other round that could go on the .223 lower

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Bushmaster is full of crap if that is really what they told you...

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Yip, because just to name a few, you could get a .17 rem., .204, 6.8 SPC, .243 WSSM, or a .300 Fireball. All built on the AR15 frame.

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Don't forget the .50 Beowolf or the new 450 bushmaster either.

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I'm looking at going towards the route of buying an upper and lower receiver separately. I want to get the more traditional looking stock and with a flat upper for a scope mount.

Two questions. I read somewhere that you can save money by doing this, is that true?

Also, is it very difficult to put them together?

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Ar's are sold as longguns but in Calf you have to make sure you dont have any 16 parts in the triger mech,I know Bushmaster has a break down of what parts need to be replaced but once again not all 15's have these parts in them.
BATF's states that if your AR15 has a M16 component,its a machine gun..
i.e.
different j pin
safety selector
trigger
disconnector
bolt carrier
alot of the part numbers are very close so you need to check this out realy good if getting one in Calf.
NFA need not worry....

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You can save money by piecing and AR15 together (lower/upper), but its getting difficult. Putting an upper an lower together takes all of 10 seconds.

I know Midwayusa.com you can buy a few different makes of lowers, and you can buy uppers there.
Ameetec.com
adcofirearms.com (I've used Steve here 3 times for ARs and his service is excellent)

Hope this helps ya out some. You might also want to check the classifieds at ar15.com

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Well... I found a lower that I liked. I really like the look of the collapsable stocks. And it's DPMS.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=723357&t=11082005

As for the upper, I'd like this AR to be versatile likeI said before. I'd like it to be able to use it for varmints or predators. Is the 16 inch barrel really pushing it for accuracy? Would a 18 inch or 20 inch be a lot better decision?

http://www.pkfirearms.com/store/get_items.aspx?type=0&term=77

^If you scroll to the second and third from the bottom, there are 2 20 inch barrels. There are also a couple of 16" barrels near the top. All of which are in the mid $300 range, which I like.

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From my limited experience with AR's - there are two distinct reasons not to go with a 16 in barrel - accuracy (they are still accurate tho) and noise - the 16" barrel willbe a lot louder than say a 20" barrel - and if youre worried about overall length - youve still got a collapsible stock that youre looking at - cha shorten it up a lil for whatver reason you want