Ballistic Tips on Deer YES or NO
 

The title of the thread says it. The thread "The bad rap on Ballistic Tips" got me to wondering.

Do you personally use NOSLER Ballistic Tips (since people in the other post seem to get confused about who makes the Ballistic Tip), on deer sized animals?

If you answered YES, please feel free to go into details.

If you answered NO, please feel free to go into details why you don't.

If you use something else, this thread isn't for you! ;)Just kidding, go ahead and post up what you use if you feel necessary, or can add something useful to this thread.

Thanks

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why do i use them? because they just plain work.

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I will not use them anymore for reasons stated before. I will not go into detail because my honesty/integrity was questioned before.

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Ok I should further state. That this thread isn't for flaming one another. I want to hear real world experiences, Yay or Nay.

NO FLAMING IN THIS THREAD!!!

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2 of my friends use them I just prefer Nosler Partitions better

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i use them, dad uses them, most of my crew uses them. bang, tag, gut, drag, throw in truck and take it back to the farm is our results...

me and most of my crew use the Winchester loads in 3006 and 308. we just like the silver casings:D

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those winchester's do have the cool factor locked up :D

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I have used them but never again.

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NO, nuff said!

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i have 2 friends that i used to load them for ,140 grn 270 . after loseing bucks because of the bullets blowing up on shoulder blades they have both stopped using them.they are fine as long as you make that perfect behind the shoulder shot.

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I use Winchester Supreme and have dropped 2/2 good shots and 1 gut shot[:'(]in which she ran a ways and expired within seconds.

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I've used them in my .280 ( 140 grain) for about 15 years... Killed an antelope, a big mule deer buck, about 15 whitetails and 9 bull caribou with them...No complaints so far... Most all of my broadside shots have been pass throughs...Some of the raking shots have not passed through, but I can say the same the same thing about the Barnes X bullets I've killed stuff with..

My personal opinion is that they work as well as any standard cup/core bullet and are more accurate than some...My sampling of only 26 animals is probablysmaller than the posters who complain of the BT not performing as it should...

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Hornady SST's do the same thing for 1/2 the money...;)

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DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!

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7mm wsm Win. Ballistic Silvertips 140 grain, nothin but dead with these so far!

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Forgot to mention that Midway usa puts them on sale for 15 a box.

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I love the bang-flops that they produce. Yes,they expand violently,in a large enough caliber that weighs enough to penetrate sufficently,I don't CARE if they seperate-as long as it's in the vitals when it happens.

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The only gun Ive used Nosler Ballistic tips for deer in is my 300 Win mag,165 gr,and after using it for ten years and taking a mature buck every year except this year and several does, (nine mature bucks) and two large alaskan black bear, all have been "bang-flops", except for one of the bears, and he went about 50 yards. Every time I pull the trigger they look like they have been hit by a truck, and they are completely jelly on the inside, I usually get an exit, but about 20% dont exit, and it seems like the non-exit shots inflict the most damage, they are usually closer range shots. I love them, but I dont know If I would use them for deer sized game in anything smaller than a .270 cal.. Just my opinion.

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Over 40 big game animals taken so far with ballistic tips with no bullet failures,and no tracking required.

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I love them for deer.

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I voted that i use something else...

I have used them, and i'd use them again, but i have a load worked up for my drilling using NP's and that's the only load i have used in this gun for many years...

I worked up the load when i was doing a lot of moose and brown bear hunting, so i chose what i thought was the best bullet for that job..

DM

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Winchester XP3 Supreme Elite Rifle 130 grain .270

Gotta love BT's!!

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These are the kind of reviews I like to see. Keep 'em coming guys!

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Don't use them anymore. Too fragile. I like an exit hole and don't trust them to penetrate through heavy bone.

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Yes on deer and pigs...

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A ballistic tip is about as similiar to an an XP3 as Jessica Alba is to Rosy O'donnell

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Got a question: Are we lumping all bullets that have a polymer tip in this? You all do realize that "Ballistic Tip" is a product name specifically refering to a bullet sold by Nosler? I personally catergorize "ballistic tips" seperately from ACCUBONDS, Barnes MRX, Hornady Interbond SST....

There is a significant difference between a BT and a Winchester XP3, Accubond, etc.

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Holy cow, I didn't catch that XP3 post! That would be a bullet that I am personally not familiar with, and like the others said, it definately isn't a Ballistic Tip.

And no, we aren't lumping all the polymer tips together.

One more time.

Nosler Ballistic Tips ONLY!!!!

:D

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Just a FYI. As you know I got rialed up last evening, so I searched Nosler's page and found this:
Here's the Link: http://www.noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1347

Now I ask you this: Why would Nosler publish a "Maximum Impact Velocity for Reliable Expansion" for the Ballistic tip while the Accubond and Partition it is listed as Not Applicable? I personally Hypothesize that its because the BT has been known to experience failures at high impact velocities. Thats not to say that other bullets aren't prone to failures at high impact velocities, because they are. Just food forthought.

Now I ask you to consider this:

Assumeyou Load a 280 rem with 140g BT's to a muzzle velocity of approx 3100 fps. Further assume that you take a shot at a doe at less than 50 yards.

Is itpossible that the impact velocity was at least 3000 FPS? If so, could you reasonably assume that you may not "experience Reliable Expansion"?

Now, What is UNreliable Expansion? Could that include Violent Over Expansion? Is it possible that given these circumstance that a broadside shot could produce a Violent Failure of the bullet?

If you would indulge me,Lets take it a step futher in our assumptions: Lets say that in these same circumstances that the bullet, by some freak stroke of cosmic luck, impacted directly into a rib bone. Now, given these assumptions is it within the realm of possibility that a Violent over expansion could occur?

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I will answer that post at 40 yards with a 6.5X55 BT drop a 9 piont in its tracks when guting it I found that there was no heart and no liver they were jelly.
last year at 275 yards drop 6 point in its tracks what more can be said.
Just my opion I dont worry what someone wright in a book I go by what works for me.
BTs all the way

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Number 1,you're not going to get 3100 from a .280. Number 2,with 140 gr,it has enough to get inside before it comes apart. Number 3,a rib bone won't be big enough to cause massive failure with a 140 gr bullet.

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I had a buddy who bought a box of these when they first became popular. in 300 win mag, he hit a good buck with no exit wound at 100yds. thats pathetic, he chunked them in the trash, but i am glad they worked for some guys. I wouldnt use anything but winchester powerpoint anyway.

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I've been using them for 20 years. I have taken at least 200deer and half a dozen bear with them. Someone said "They just plain work". No truer words have ever been uttered.

Thosewho say, NO..... All I can say is, GOOD. More for me to shoot and kill with!!!!!!!

As always, the 10% intelligence rule applies. IMO the vast majority of bullet failures, is actually the failure of the shooter/hunter. Shoot placement people, shot placement.It also helps to have a little understanding of thedesign and characteristics of the bullet you are shooting.

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I have used the 150-grain BT's and the 168-grain BST's in 30-06 on serveral Wisconsin whitetails. At ranges of 75 - 125 yards, they performed similar to a soft point bullet for me. The only bang-flop I have gotten was on a quartering away shot,but I have had that happen with other bullets as well. Most of the deer ran a short distance. I did not see any bullet blowups at 30-06 velocities.

Overall, I favored the 168-grain bullet, but both worked.

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deleted.... its no use, some people can't be reasoned with.

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the fact of the matter is a original ballistic tip is nothing more then a hp with a point stuck in it.mainly so they will cycle thru actions easyier. there are other bullets on the market with the same type plastic tips that perform better.

personally i don't think you can beat a hornady or seirra spbt.

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If you read the history of the ballistic tip in the Nolser reloading manual number 3 page 4,the reason for the poly tip is to prevent tip deformation in the magazine due to heavy recoil.

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If you have a bullet tip hitting the inside of your action before it is fed into the chamber you have more problems then you need. They were put on to prevent deformation which will cause an inconsistency of bulletaerodynamics especially at the longer ranges..