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Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Any luck with these guns?
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
At one point the action was supplied by Dakota and then Beretta started making them in Maryland. I have seen a total of 2 in my entire life . I would stay as far from one as I could unless your strictly a collector. Wait until the new Model 70's show up in june of next year if you want a nice CRF rifle
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Why would you think that? I've heard Dakota actions, Jewell triggers, sako barrels, and HS precision stocks. Sound pretty good to me. Only thing is they are about 8 lbs which is pretty heavy in my book, and I dont like the detachable mag. Funny you mention the Winchesters, I've got my eye on the synthetic/stainless model. As for CRF, its not as much as an issue to me. Another model I was looking at was the non-cataloged browning with the stainless barrel and duratouch stock in 30-06. Not a fan of the short mag junk. dont really care about the camo, but I dont like the stalker stock either. they seem pretty cheap to me..
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Why would you think that? I've heard Dakota actions, Jewell triggers, sako barrels, and HS precision stocks. Sound pretty good to me. Only thing is they are about 8 lbs which is pretty heavy in my book, and I dont like the detachable mag. Funny you mention the Winchesters, I've got my eye on the synthetic/stainless model. As for CRF, its not as much as an issue to me. Another model I was looking at was the non-cataloged browning with the stainless barrel and duratouch stock in 30-06. Not a fan of the short mag junk. dont really care about the camo, but I dont like the stalker stock either. they seem pretty cheap to me.. |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Sure the stuff works, but is it worth it? Thats a big no for me. Don't want to get caught up in the hype. 1" less drop and 175 fps doesnt make a beliver out of me. I dont know what a "system rifle" is but a shooter is good in my book. Hope the new Winnie shoots as good as it looks.
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Not much can be done with a Browning Abolt except repair it...some gunsmiths go to the trouble of rebarrelling them and no one to my knowlege makes replacement stocks or triggers . Same can be said of the Tikka. If you have any experience with a WSM and reload for it and reload for another cartridge that is not a WSM or short mag you'll know exactly what I mean. WInnie looks good and the tolerances are tighter but it still weighs more then a Remington or Sako and that is a liability. Nonetheless if I run across a 338 win it is mine.
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter Not much can be done with a Browning Abolt except repair it...some gunsmiths go to the trouble of rebarrelling them and no one to my knowlege makes replacement stocks or triggers . Same can be said of the Tikka. If you have any experience with a WSM and reload for it and reload for another cartridge that is not a WSM or short mag you'll know exactly what I mean. WInnie looks good and the tolerances are tighter but it still weighs more then a Remington or Sako and that is a liability. Nonetheless if I run across a 338 win it is mine. |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
There is a reason for that, the Browning's and Tikkas are perfect from the factory, and don't need any work done to them. |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Until they break? I've never heard of that. I never had any gun break before. What would you redesign? Whatis there that "fails" for a hunting rifle??I know guys that like to tinker, and end up spending more than if they had just ordered and Jarrett. If it aint broke, dont fix it. My 40 year old model 70 shoots cor loks sub moa, and everyone claimed that anything after 64 was junk.
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Yeah, I would really love to know whats wrong with the A-Bolts and Tikka's as well. I own both, and have beat the living crud out of 'em and have yet to have a hiccup. Both also shoot all my handloads .5" MOA.
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Until they break? I've never heard of that. I never had any gun break before Browning Abolt has the worst magazine floorplate system ever designed and it is made of cheap pot metal. The bolt is non field strippable . That is an absolute must on any rifle I buy. It was good enough for the mauser and so it must be on my rifles. The trigger is a contraption that can't be tuned correctly unless a gunsmith that knows what he is doing gets to it that little set screw is just a tease. But it is gold plated so that must make it special.Thankfully they have redesigned the trigger completely in the new X model but the rest from what I have seen remains the same. Browning by the way has excellent customer service on both Browning and the model 70 they returned to me last week that had a misaligned bolt handle. Bought the gun before they went out of business and left it in a box and when I go to set it up for this season find that problem. No charge for the service ,.they are to be commended for their service. The tikka has a quality barrel..insufficient sized receiver port for putting in or removing cartridges by hand. It is best done by removing the magazine and loading that way. May not seem like much to someone in the south but if your in cold weather reloading your rifle with gloves on have fun. The Steyr has the same exact problem although it is a cadillac compared to a Tikka. Tikka has a one size fit all action that has a spacer in the magazine so your stroking an extra whatever distanceto load unload/extract the cartridge. The magazine is polymer and has a little 3/8" wide plastic lip that keeps it in place. Plastic bolt shroud. At least the older 695's had a recessed magazine. Berettas customer service is hot and cold. Lately hasbeen getting better but too many guns go there and return unfixed both mine and others. Luckily I have never ever sent a Sako back for anything. Tikkas were a buy when they were 450 dollars but Beretta has seen to charge and get more for them. They are not my cup of tea but plenty of satisfied owners use them. I like to buy quality and I don't like to fix what a manufacturer should have done in the first place. Do you honestly think a Jarrett won't break ..do you know anything about them other then their name? There are 100 gunsmiths out there that can make the same rifle for 1/3 of what he charges and shoot as good if not better. Yes the pre64 winchesters were the best rifle ever made in the US and anyone that denies that is silly .Their resale value should tell you that. Compared to them anything would look bad that is why the post 64's got such a bad undeserved rap. All they had was fit and finish problems and some cheap bottom metalbut the guns were accurate and should give good service. To each his own but I work very hard for my money and don't pi@@ it away and I don't mind paying extra for something and gladly pay it when its worth what is charged. I hunt a lot whenever possible and I try to keep up with guns and Lord only knows how many have come and gone thru my hands some sold to people on this forumbut that is the only way to find out if it is good or bad.It's to the point where I am only buying Sakos and Model 70's anymore even though I have the occasional Remington sitting around. Sorry to diverge from the original subject which is the Beretta Mato. |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter Until they break? I've never heard of that. I never had any gun break before Browning Abolt has the worst magazine floorplate system ever designed and it is made of cheap pot metal. The bolt is non field strippable . That is an absolute must on any rifle I buy. It was good enough for the mauser and so it must be on my rifles. The trigger is a contraption that can't be tuned correctly unless a gunsmith that knows what he is doing gets to it that little set screw is just a tease. But it is gold plated so that must make it special.Thankfully they have redesigned the trigger completely in the new X model but the rest from what I have seen remains the same. Browning by the way has excellent customer service on both Browning and the model 70 they returned to me last week that had a misaligned bolt handle. Bought the gun before they went out of business and left it in a box and when I go to set it up for this season find that problem. No charge for the service ,.they are to be commended for their service. The tikka has a quality barrel..insufficient sized receiver port for putting in or removing cartridges by hand. It is best done by removing the magazine and loading that way. May not seem like much to someone in the south but if your in cold weather reloading your rifle with gloves on have fun. The Steyr has the same exact problem although it is a cadillac compared to a Tikka. Tikka has a one size fit all action that has a spacer in the magazine so your stroking an extra whatever distanceto load unload/extract the cartridge. The magazine is polymer and has a little 3/8" wide plastic lip that keeps it in place. Plastic bolt shroud. At least the older 695's had a recessed magazine. Berettas customer service is hot and cold. Lately hasbeen getting better but too many guns go there and return unfixed both mine and others. Luckily I have never ever sent a Sako back for anything. Tikkas were a buy when they were 450 dollars but Beretta has seen to charge and get more for them. They are not my cup of tea but plenty of satisfied owners use them. I like to buy quality and I don't like to fix what a manufacturer should have done in the first place. Do you honestly think a Jarrett won't break ..do you know anything about them other then their name? There are 100 gunsmiths out there that can make the same rifle for 1/3 of what he charges and shoot as good if not better. Yes the pre64 winchesters were the best rifle ever made in the US and anyone that denies that is silly .Their resale value should tell you that. Compared to them anything would look bad that is why the post 64's got such a bad undeserved rap. All they had was fit and finish problems and some cheap bottom metalbut the guns were accurate and should give good service. To each his own but I work very hard for my money and don't pi@@ it away and I don't mind paying extra for something and gladly pay it when its worth what is charged. I hunt a lot whenever possible and I try to keep up with guns and Lord only knows how many have come and gone thru my hands some sold to people on this forumbut that is the only way to find out if it is good or bad.It's to the point where I am only buying Sakos and Model 70's anymore even though I have the occasional Remington sitting around. Sorry to diverge from the original subject which is the Beretta Mato. Well, I'll be damned. Finally someone with some damn experience telling me the stuff I want to hear. You mean you're not going to bitch me out about choosing a 30-06 as my next rifle? Thanks. Now that all the bs is out of the way, give me some more dirt. Non field strippable bolt doesn't seem that important to me, so give me the rap as to why its so important. Pot metal, ok sounds like crap. Im not a big fan of any detachable mags at all unless its on my 1911. And no, I don't know anything about Jarrett rifles. Looks like an overpriced model 700, but I don't know. And don't worry about the Mato. I had read somewhere it was a sleeper, but it sounds like there is a reason nobody messes much with them. OK Bubba, here's the deal. Most of my experience is shotguns and competition pistols. Citori and STI. No problems, ever. Hunting rifles have been a ruger 280, and ruger 6mm, and a 94 that was a gift from my wife. Maybe Im lucky. My model 70 in 270 is my undesputed champ. Rugers are gone. Leupold VXII, Talley mounts. Never a problem.Just recheckered and refinished the stock this year. Lookseven better than the stock on myCitori and most rifles I've seen on the rack. No joke.The gunbelonged to my late uncle who would crap himselfifhe could see it now. She takes a pretty good beating inthe field so Im looking to leave her in the safe a bit. Sentimental, I guess. So now, its in your lap. Here's my list, you fill the bill: Synthetic stock, a real synthetic, not that plastic factory remington crap 30-06 prefer stainless barrel, blued will pass. floorplate mag must be accurate You tell me the rest. Sounds easy, but I've been looking for 2 years and cant find the right rifle to fit the bill. Remington Titanium model had my eye, any experience with that? Kimber? Not a fan of Weatherbys either. Price, dont really give a crap. I figured a grand would cover it. So far, the only thing that comes close may be the new Model 70. Im looking for quality. Balls in your court, Im all ears. Thanks for the advice, keep it coming. |
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You tell me the rest. Sounds easy, but I've been looking for 2 years and cant find the right rifle to fit the bill. Remington Titanium model had my eye, any experience with that? Kimber? Not a fan of Weatherbys either. Price, dont really give a crap. I figured a grand would cover it. So far, the only thing that comes close may be the new Model 70. Im looking for quality. Balls in your court, Im all ears. Thanks for the advice, keep it coming Weatherby not bad but the Vanguards are the bestgun they are producing and it is a truly well designed rifle . Drop forged reciever ,hammer forged barrel, locking safety, field strippable bolt(to get the moisture and crap out of on a rugged hunt) great gas system in case of a cartridge rupture...just a wonderful rifle...The trigger should be replaced with a Timney and it is a simple philips screw drop in . COmes from the factory in SS or CM your choice and it set at 3lbs as is. Some people don't like the stock. My pick of all right now would be a Sako 75(if you can find one) a Winchester Model 70(June 2008) or the brand new CZ 550 in 30-06(just came out no pics) it is a truly nice rifle . Winchester xtreme rifle that is coming out should be a good one |
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Oldelk, What the story on the new CZ-550? I havent heard anything about it. I've already got a pair of Premiums, but I would love to hear what they're working on. Thanks Here is a pic from another forum I visit |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
I am not sure if the "Mato" is the model, but my friend in Missouri has a new Beretta and had a hard time getting it to shoot to his satisfaction. He has never mentioned any complaints about the gun itself. His is a really "pretty" gun.
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
I am not sure if the "Mato" is the model, but my friend in Missouri has a new Beretta and had a hard time getting it to shoot to his satisfaction. He has never mentioned any complaints about the gun itself. His is a really "pretty" gun. I found a Sako 75 lookalike with no dovetails on the reciever for scope base mounting. Barrel was stamped made in Maryland and it had a really nice floorplate system and no detachable mag. It was chambered in 223 remington |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Stopped at sportsmans tonight on the way home. the Weatherby Vangaurd MOA is a pretty sweet looking rifle. The had an sako 85 which might work. 1300 for the sako, 829 for the weatherby. The Finnlight is an interesting cat too. Only thing about the 85 is the dovetail only scope mount. I like the talley one piece jobs, but thats minor. Id say the list for now is the MOA, 70, Finnlight, Titanium Rem.
Which Sako's were the ones that were having trouble blowing up? |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Which Sako's were the ones that were having trouble blowing up? |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
Oldelkhunter,
How would you rate the new Sako 85 compared to the "old" 75? I've never actually seen an 85, but from the pics and the Sako website (not the Beretta website, which is useless) I can't really tell any difference other than the new magazine latch. Mike |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
How would you rate the new Sako 85 compared to the "old" 75? I've never actually seen an 85, but from the pics and the Sako website (not the Beretta website, which is useless) I can't really tell any difference other than the new magazine latch. |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
OK oldelkhunter, Im starting to look a little more at the Sako. The blow up factor is a concern, but somewhere there is a list of affected serial numbers, so figuring that out shouldn't be a problem. So whats the deal with those optimounts?? It looks like the rib is tapered, whats the scoop?
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RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
I do know that the "blow up problem" happened over a year ago and has since been resolved. They actually did have an exact list of serial numbers and those guns were recalled. Many were never even sold, but were pulled straight from store racks. It effected only the Sako Finnlite and a few Tikka T3 stainless rifles. The standard weight Sako 75 were not included, and the Sako 85's are fine. They got a bad batch of barrel blanks from their foundry that were too soft. Since it's the foundry that casts and tests the blanks, Sako didn't become aware of the problem until after the rifles were made.
Nothing to worry about. Mike |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
OK oldelkhunter, Im starting to look a little more at the Sako. The blow up factor is a concern, but somewhere there is a list of affected serial numbers, so figuring that out shouldn't be a problem. So whats the deal with those optimounts?? It looks like the rib is tapered, whats the scoop? |
RE: Anyone have a Beretta Mato?
I have'nt had a chance to handle one yet, Im heading toSportsmans today to check one out. Just what I've learned on here and have read, Im pretty impressed. I had never considered one until now, and the more I read, the more I like them. I do tend to over-analize, but I do want my money's worth. Thanks for the information.
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