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stocks for an sks
I am wanting to put a stock on my chinese skstype 56 paratrooper. The problem is I am having problem choising a stock, I am looking at the tapco t6 (fusion) or a monte carlo? I am going to use the rifle as back up for hunting and well plinking (it is an sks). Yalls input would be great on this.
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I have one on the 2nd page of the guns sales adds, nice stock just needs final inletting to your rifle and refinished. I had bought it for my Russian SKS but the value of the Russians went up in full military configuration so I left it alone.
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Go with the tapco adjut stcok. MOre options for sizing!
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I was looking at my sks, with it's shorter barrel, the T6 stock would look better and is only $10 more then a monte carlo I was looking, big plus I get a local gun shop to order it for me, if the price is right.;)
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Corey,
I have to warn you. You are getting into 922r regulation issues if you install the T6. The reason being the T6 has a pistol grip and that's illegal unless you change your SKS. By putting a pistol grip stock on you are "building a semi automatic rifle that's prohibited from importation"according to the feds. I'm not going to get into whether it makes sense or not because it doesn't but it is what it is. If you install a pistol grip stockon an SKS you have just "built"a semiautomatic rifle that is identical (due to the pistol grip) to a rifle that's illegal to import soyou MUSTHAVE NO MORE than 10foreign parts in it. These parts must be switched out from the ones listed in 922r asparts that count toward the 10. Here is a portion of a letter from the ATF on the issue: As background, the amended Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Section 922(r), states the following: It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to — (1)the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof or (2)the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the... [U.S. Attorney General] Also, 27 C.F.R. Section 478.39 states “…(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes. (b)The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (1)The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof or (2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of [§478.151(formerly 178.151)]; or (3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such firearm. (c)For purposes of this section, the term imported parts [tabulated below] are. (1)Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or castings. (2)Barrels. (3)Barrel extensions. (4)Mounting blocks (trunnions). (5)Muzzle attachments. (6)Bolts. (7)Bolt carriers. (8)Operating rods. (9)Gas pistons. (10)Trigger housings. (11)Triggers. (12)Hammers. (13)Sears. (14)Disconnectors. (15)Buttstocks. (16)Pistol grips. (17)Forearms, handguards. (18)Magazine bodies. (19)Followers. (20)Floor plates. Therefore, it is a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(r) to assemble such a rifle or shotgun from more than 10 of the imported parts specified in 27 CFR § 478.39. However, assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles or shotguns using 10 or fewer of these imported parts is not prohibited under this section. With respect to your inquiry regarding Chinese-made SKS carbines, please note that because this firearm was manufactured in China, all the parts used to assemble the rifle are considered imported per 922(r). Further, please note that a Chinese-made SKS carbine, in its original military configuration, consists of the following parts derived from the list presented above: 1.Receiver. 2.Barrel. 3.Muzzle attachment. 4.Bolt. 5.Bolt carrier. 6.Gas piston. 7.Trigger housing. 8.Trigger. 9.Hammer. 10.Sear. 11.Disconnector. 12.Buttstock. 13.Forearm/handguard. 14.Magazine body. 15.Follower. The T6 stock has three USA parts: 1. Stock 2. Pistol grip 3. Forearm/handguard. If you noticed you actually added a part that's not originally on theSKS (pistol grip) so you will need to addmore USA parts from the list above until you have no more than 10 imported (original) parts remaining from the list above to be legal. Before you or anybody else even brings it up...yes I too have seen countless numbers of SKS's for sale in that configuration (stocks switched) and the statute only refers to "Building" and not "owning" a rifle in this configuration, but I for one do not want to chance it. You can swap out a stock that does not have a pistol grip and you will be ok but you walk a fine line when it has a pistol grip on it. Just though I'd toss this out to ya. |
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bigj, I have read the 922r, yes you have to have 10 foreign parts, must sks' have 15 foreign parts, the yugo has 17. I have changed out opt. piston with a tapco (1) the tapco t6 would make 3 making it 10 foreign parts thous it still in the 922r. still have the orginal opt. piston so I can swap that out if I have to.
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ORIGINAL: corey012778 bigj, I have read the 922r, yes you have to have 10 foreign parts, must sks' have 15 foreign parts, the yugo has 17. I have changed out opt. piston with a tapco (1) the tapco t6 would make 3 making it 10 foreign parts thous it still in the 922r. still have the orginal opt. piston so I can swap that out if I have to. I also made a mistake on my earlier post, I did a little more research and you still cannot get ANY of the fire control group made in the USA for an SKS. Below is a more accurate count of what's available from US manufacturers. 1.Receiver. 2.Barrel. 3.Muzzle attachment. 4.Bolt. 5.Bolt carrier. 6.Gas piston. 7.Trigger housing. 8.Trigger. 9.Hammer. 10.Sear. 11.Disconnector. 12.Buttstock. 13.Forearm/handguard. 14.Magazine body. 15.Follower As you can see there are only 6 of the 15 components that are available from a US vendor. You will almost have to purchase all of the bold type components in order to make your SKS legal. There is no way around this, you cannot use the original fixed 10 round magazine you must buy a USA made detachable (duckbill) magazine in order to use the body and follower in your parts count. I've never been a fan of those magazines as most of them on the market are absolute junk. If it were me, I'd leave it as is...nothin wrong with the original stock, little short sure but it makes for a pretty handy little rifle especially in the paratrooper configuration. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. |
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I got the 3 from the tapco ad for it. I was not counting the pistol grip. I was reading on a forum for the sks, what you have for the chinese sks is incorrect, one of the guys that runs the board email the atf and told them. there is not a muzzle attachment shipped on my sks or look like it was not made for one.
check out what they had to say: http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=27678.0 |
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ORIGINAL: corey012778 I got the 3 from the tapco ad for it. I was not counting the pistol grip. I was reading on a forum for the sks, what you have for the chinese sks is incorrect, one of the guys that runs the board email the atf and told them. there is not a muzzle attachment shipped on my sks or look like it was not made for one. check out what they had to say: http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=27678.0 You still need to purchase another part to be legal, with the T-6 stock and Tapco gas piston you have three, you need four at the very least. Please remember all of this (parts count and what parts are considered) is subject toand has been changed by the ATF at their prerogative at any time, so the more USA parts you can install the better. I'm pretty familiar with the SKS rifle enough know you will have to swap out the original fixed 10 round magazine for a USA made "duck Bill" detachable magazine in order to put on the T-6 Stock. Again those types of magazines are hit or miss when it comes to reliability. I've tried all the different combination of stocks and magazines and I always have gone back to the original configuration. It works the best and is the most reliable and above all legal!...I have an SKS or two.;)  |
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Thanks bigj, you just made me fell like an ass, just kidding, ;), only reason I got the gas piston was that I lost the one that came with the gun. I was not really wanting to change mags, thought about going to a 5 rounder, but you can get 30 rounders for the same amount. I think on it a little more, and get my loads worked up on ML. I think I will add a basic recoil pad to add an inch of lengh to it ($13 investment) so I can use 3 - 5.5 on my 3-9x40 scope I have on it right now.
started thinking, which is dangerest to begain with, if I replace the mag, remove the usa piston with chinese that I found 2 weeks after I lost it. stock (3) + mag (2) would give me what I need to be 922r. until the demarats take over start banning everything again. or just save my money for a new shot gun or the yugo I was looking at:D:D |
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ORIGINAL: corey012778 Thanks bigj, you just made me fell like an ass, just kidding, ;), only reason I got the gas piston was that I lost the one that came with the gun. I was not really wanting to change mags, thought about going to a 5 rounder, but you can get 30 rounders for the same amount. I think on it a little more, and get my loads worked up on ML. I think I will add a basic recoil pad to add an inch of lengh to it ($13 investment) so I can use 3 - 5.5 on my 3-9x40 scope I have on it right now. started thinking, which is dangerest to begain with, if I replace the mag, remove the usa piston with chinese that I found 2 weeks after I lost it. stock (3) + mag (2) would give me what I need to be 922r. until the demarats take over start banning everything again. or just save my money for a new shot gun or the yugo I was looking at:D:D This should make you legal. I don't know how reliable it will be but if youfound a good feeding magazine it should work just fine. |
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at this point, I have to hold off till next year. wife have surgery, one of my dogs having health problems, and having to watch the other one to make sure It does not get what the other dog has. How long until sept. ends.
I am thinking about getting a 5 rounder anyway. I also email tapco, the fix will work in the t6, ak converts. won't. just a little info there. thanks for the help bigj, 922r is very confusing. do ya have any idea on how to stablelize a receiver scope mount, I am going to try rubber weather seal tape on the mount screws and receiver. if you have yahoo msg, if you want add this screen name, just in case I got something to ask ya, or you got something to ask me, good computer, meat cutting, and cooking background [hr] [hr] |
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ORIGINAL: corey012778 at this point, I have to hold off till next year. wife have surgery, one of my dogs having health problems, and having to watch the other one to make sure It does not get what the other dog has. How long until sept. ends. I am thinking about getting a 5 rounder anyway. I also email tapco, the fix will work in the t6, ak converts. won't. just a little info there. thanks for the help bigj, 922r is very confusing. do ya have any idea on how to stablelize a receiver scope mount, I am going to try rubber weather seal tape on the mount screws and receiver. if you have yahoo msg, if you want add this screen name, just in case I got something to ask ya, or you got something to ask me, good computer, meat cutting, and cooking background [hr] [hr] I think you will end up liking the standard stock. The wrist is pretty good for shooting, the only problem is it's short. There are rubber butt plate extensions you can buy pretty cheap. As far as the scope mount is concerned. I'm guessing you have the rear cover mount system. It is also hit or miss. The key is to get one that fits snug. I have one that does not have the set screws and it is very tight, lucky I guess. The rubber seal tape will probably work good but you should leave it on once installed and sighted in. You can get fixed 5 round mags, they work great and make the rifle legal to hunt with. Some states don't have a capacity regulation but here in Illinois we do...nothing over 5 rounds in any semi auto rifle. I have the 5 rounders (fixed) and they are great. 922r is very confusing and can be interpreted in many different ways, sometimes I think it was written that way on purpose in order to keep people from getting around the statute. If it's vague it's hard to find loop holes. Personally I think it's all a bunch of crap and only ties the hands of legal gun holders...go figure;). That seems to be to standard M.O. of any and all of the ludicrous gun laws. Have a good one. |
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I got the scope mount snug, and fitting great. the latch it hard to set down and get up. it is fitting better then the orginal. I am about to take the screws off it. I could not get the tape to work. but I am going to try again. in va, I can't have more then 5 rounds in any rifle and 3 in shotguns, during hunting season.
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I always have gone back to the original configuration. It works the best and is the most reliable and above all legal!... |
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I was wanting to get more pull ligth but I looked thought the scope last nite and could see thought it with the gun right up to my shoulder, could use an extra inch and an cheek rest (need 2 inchs). I was planning on getting an slip on recoil for $13 at a gunshop which is $7 cheaper then walmart for the same brand. I may hunt up an sks that the stock that is poor to fair and do it on that.
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Slip on pad sounds like a good idea, must be a chinese SKS? They are short for me too.
Do a search for a 'Beartooth comb raising kit' They cost around $20 and consist of a stretchy sock ( I think it might be neoprene) with an assortment of foam pads of different thickness for raising the comb. |
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I'm actually getting to the point where I like the short stock. I have one SKS that was butchered before I purchased it, the bayo lug ground off and the front sling loop ground off of the gas block as well. I figured I would just make a nice truck gun out of it. I put on a Romanian stock and I did some slight contouring to it at thewrist area. Irefinished the stock and changed the sling attachment points, put on a Williams rear sight and a fixed 5 round mag. It came out pretty good and it's still legal to own and hunt with. It's real handy and shoulders quick with the shorter stock. A little time and a few parts (5 round mag and rear sight) and it's a good looking and shooting rifle.
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Close up of front sling attachement. I used the cleaning rod hole to mount a swivel loop.
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Rear swivel attachment.
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Rear sight.
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5 round fixed mag.
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Rear of stock after I re-shaped it. I didn't take too much away, just enough to slim it down a little. I think it came out pretty good.
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hey bigj, where did you get the swivels from, I would like to change.
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Corey,
Unfortunately it may be hard to find them. I got them off of an old stock that I had laying around. I'd bet there from the 60's if I had to guess. I think you can still find something like them if you look enough. I know most of the sling swivels out today are of the quick release kind and these are not they are mounted and stay mounted. The one for the rear has a wood screw end and the one for the front has a machined end. |
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damn, I think I am going to stop working on the gun itself. I am running out of ammo, and have trouble finding finding, I hate ordering gun powder, primers, and completes.
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try loking at a CHEAPER THAN DIRT book or go online. they have all kinds of accessories for the sks
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I like sksman, shipping is only $5 they don't sell ammo, a local gunshop has wolf for $289 per 1000 rds, wife won't let me buy that much
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