are you gonna?
01-06-2003, 04:50 AM
#1
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: dedham massachusetts USA
Posts: 1,361
are you gonna?
just curious.. trying to do a poll.
since the 358win is coming back and won't be that hard to find after the first couiple months. will you all pick one up since it is a good caliber . if you have needs for a caliber like that where you shoot?
i am gonna try to get one between saving for a new truck,moving out this year and getting a condo w/ my girlfriend. but i know it wil be hard for me and not as easy as it has been for me in the past.
since the 358win is coming back and won't be that hard to find after the first couiple months. will you all pick one up since it is a good caliber . if you have needs for a caliber like that where you shoot?
i am gonna try to get one between saving for a new truck,moving out this year and getting a condo w/ my girlfriend. but i know it wil be hard for me and not as easy as it has been for me in the past.
01-06-2003, 06:32 PM
#5
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh NC USA
Posts: 352
RE: are you gonna?
I'll pass on the 358 as well. Aside from the fact that I don't have a need for that caliber yet, I think that there are better choices out there.
A co-worker has an old 358 lever action Savage. We were discussing what we might use if we ever tried our hands at elk hunting. Looking at the 358 balistics, I couldn't see what it had to offer over the 338 mag or the 375 H&H. With the 358 Winchester ammo available today, its anything but a flat shooter. Luckily I happened to have this handy from our e-mail exchange. Sorry if the tables are a little confusing, doesn't work as well as it did in Outlook.
358 Stats: 200 gr Super-X Silvertip
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2490 - 2171 1876 1610 1379 1194
Energy (ft. lbs.) 2753 - 2093 1563 1151 844 633
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) +0.4 0.0 -2.2 -6.5 -13.3 -23.0
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +1.5 0.0 -3.6 -9.7 -18.6 -47.2 -94.1
338 Mag stats: 200 gr Super-X PowerPoint
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2960 - 2658 2375 2110 1862 1635
Energy (ft. lbs.) 3890 - 3137 2505 1977 1539 1187
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) +0.5 +0.9 0.0 -2.3 -6.1 -11.6
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +2.0 +1.7 0.0 -3.2 -8.2 -24.3 -50.4
375 H&H stats: 270 gr Supreme Failsafe
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2670 - 2447 2234 2033 1842 1664
Energy (ft. lbs.) 4275 - 3590 2994 2478 2035 1662
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) -0.1 0.0 -1.4 -4.3 -9.0 -15.6
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +2.2 +1.9 0.0 -3.6 -9.1 -28.7 -54.5
A co-worker has an old 358 lever action Savage. We were discussing what we might use if we ever tried our hands at elk hunting. Looking at the 358 balistics, I couldn't see what it had to offer over the 338 mag or the 375 H&H. With the 358 Winchester ammo available today, its anything but a flat shooter. Luckily I happened to have this handy from our e-mail exchange. Sorry if the tables are a little confusing, doesn't work as well as it did in Outlook.
358 Stats: 200 gr Super-X Silvertip
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2490 - 2171 1876 1610 1379 1194
Energy (ft. lbs.) 2753 - 2093 1563 1151 844 633
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) +0.4 0.0 -2.2 -6.5 -13.3 -23.0
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +1.5 0.0 -3.6 -9.7 -18.6 -47.2 -94.1
338 Mag stats: 200 gr Super-X PowerPoint
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2960 - 2658 2375 2110 1862 1635
Energy (ft. lbs.) 3890 - 3137 2505 1977 1539 1187
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) +0.5 +0.9 0.0 -2.3 -6.1 -11.6
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +2.0 +1.7 0.0 -3.2 -8.2 -24.3 -50.4
375 H&H stats: 270 gr Supreme Failsafe
(50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Velocity (fps) 2670 - 2447 2234 2033 1842 1664
Energy (ft. lbs.) 4275 - 3590 2994 2478 2035 1662
(50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300 yards)
Short Trajectory (in.) -0.1 0.0 -1.4 -4.3 -9.0 -15.6
(100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 400, 500 yards)
Long Trajectory (in.) +2.2 +1.9 0.0 -3.6 -9.1 -28.7 -54.5
01-06-2003, 07:15 PM
#7
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: dedham massachusetts USA
Posts: 1,361
RE: are you gonna?
CalNewbie..
but where i hunt in maine. where shots are unfer 100yds in the cedar swamps and bogs. there is no need for a 375H&H or a 338win mag. i know this kinda sounds weird talking about the 358win but.i really don't need a magnum for what i hunt and my distances i shoot. i guess i don't need a 358win. but i love 35cals and in a short action is much more the liking
but where i hunt in maine. where shots are unfer 100yds in the cedar swamps and bogs. there is no need for a 375H&H or a 338win mag. i know this kinda sounds weird talking about the 358win but.i really don't need a magnum for what i hunt and my distances i shoot. i guess i don't need a 358win. but i love 35cals and in a short action is much more the liking
01-06-2003, 07:55 PM
#8
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh NC USA
Posts: 352
RE: are you gonna?
Quilly,
I know what you mean. Part of the conversation I had with my co-worker was that his current 358 would be OK if he knew he'd shooting at game at around 200, maybe 300 yards. That's not a bad outer limit, there are many (myself included) who would be challenged by a 300 yard shot (I do plan on getting better though!).
I can see the rational for choosing a gun that'll do well for the ranges you know you'll hunt. But, when the time comes for me to buy something bigger I'll probably go with something that's more versitile. Supposing that I only ended up with one "big" caliber, I'd kick myself if I'd bought and then outgrew it. That's kind of the same rational I used in picking up my first rifle a short time ago, a 270WSM.
My co-worker got the same gun/caliber, and getting to the range first, was having a bit of buyers remorse. He was thinking what good is this long shooting gun when he was having trouble zeroing at 100 yards. We're both decent pistol & shotgun users, but new to rifles. My observation was that first we get good at the 100 and 200 yard targets, then we worry about shooting a deer or hog at 400 yards. It was funny in a way - I also suggested that an old piece of carpet and a balled up jacket probably didn't make the best benchrest, and that he should try again with sandbags. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I know what you mean. Part of the conversation I had with my co-worker was that his current 358 would be OK if he knew he'd shooting at game at around 200, maybe 300 yards. That's not a bad outer limit, there are many (myself included) who would be challenged by a 300 yard shot (I do plan on getting better though!).
I can see the rational for choosing a gun that'll do well for the ranges you know you'll hunt. But, when the time comes for me to buy something bigger I'll probably go with something that's more versitile. Supposing that I only ended up with one "big" caliber, I'd kick myself if I'd bought and then outgrew it. That's kind of the same rational I used in picking up my first rifle a short time ago, a 270WSM.
My co-worker got the same gun/caliber, and getting to the range first, was having a bit of buyers remorse. He was thinking what good is this long shooting gun when he was having trouble zeroing at 100 yards. We're both decent pistol & shotgun users, but new to rifles. My observation was that first we get good at the 100 and 200 yard targets, then we worry about shooting a deer or hog at 400 yards. It was funny in a way - I also suggested that an old piece of carpet and a balled up jacket probably didn't make the best benchrest, and that he should try again with sandbags. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
