270 WSM.
 

Whats your opinion on the new WSM 270. The stats look prety impresive. The same 130 gr bulets the 270 WIN is around 3050fps and the WSM 270 is 3275fps.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

It won't be around long enough to worry about. Just my opinion.

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RE: 270 WSM.
 

I think alot of the opponents are people that presently own a long action 270, 7mm or 300 mag. They are afraid that what they own is somehow inferior to the NEW flashy cartridge. The same way someone feels when there neighbour down the street buys a NEW fishing reel, quad , skillsaw, pick-up, etc, etc etc.

All it comes down to marketing and offering something NEW to maybe get someone that wouldn't be "in the market" for a new rifle but may just be coaxed to buy one if they can get a edge or bragging rights that they have a NEW toy. If companies never introduced NEW products they would soon find themselves out of business.

I do not think that the 300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem mag will ever be replaced by their shorter brothers but I do think that the 300 WSM is a going to be a VERY popular round. To me it would not matter if they introduced a NEW cartridge every year I just wish people would quit whining about it.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

i think the 300, 270, and 7mm WSM's r the greatest. i think they will render the long actions of the same caliber obsolete and eventually the long actions of the same caliber wont even b produced! that may b reaching...but why would someone buy a heavier long action rifle n a caliber that kicks harder, w/out as much energy, at less of a velocity than that of the lighter short action WSM's? the WSM's simply out perform their parent namesakes.

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RE: 270 WSM.
 

OTIS, I THINK YOUR SECOND POST SAID IT ALL AND I AGREE 100%. THEY ARE A GREAT ADDITION, ANOTHER OPTION BUT THEY WON'T REPLACE JACK!

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RE: 270 WSM.
 

I like the new short action magnums, and will eventually get a .300 Short Rem. It seems that between a choice of a .270 or a .284 short action magnum, I'd opt for the .284 because it has a much better selection of bullets for handloading. The .270 WSM to me seems overbore, very similar to the 6.5 Rem Mag, only .006 difference in bullet dia., but with a larger case. It sure would be flat, and I guess if you put 2,000 rounds through it and burned the throat out of it, you could always have it rebarreled to a .284 or .30 cal.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

I haven't decided on them yet. At first when I heard about them I really wanted one in 270WSM, but I have 2 270's now and they have never failed in any way so why fix it if it aint broke?

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RE: 270 WSM.
 

Otis, I don't hate the 270WSM anymore than I dislike any other 270 round. What I do dislike is all the hype the WSM cartridges are getting and the flat out creative ballistics that Winchester is releasing. It is already being said of the 300WSM that the velocities Winchester's factory load data quoted can not be reproduced out of any factory rifle using accepted pressures. I am sure the same will hold true for the rest of the WSMs. Creative marketing is one thing, dishonesty is something else. Out of all the WSMs I think the 270WSM may have the hardest time carving out a niche for itself. One, lack of bullet selection, two, Jack O' Conner isn't around to make it sound like God's gift to shooters.

BTW, I in no way feel my current choices for rifles are in any way inferior to the WSMs. On the contrary, I would put my 300 Win Mag up against the 300 WSM any day.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

i think they r great, i dont think im being sucked n2 anything resembling "marketing" i read the same ballistic tables everyone else does and c no reason 2 beleive one cartriges ballistics and not another simply because its new. obviously these cartriges should not compare to the "ultra mags" and weatherbys, but they come surprisingly close. they should be compared to their parent cases and other short action calibers, short action being the key word. i fired a friends brand new .300WSM sighting his scope in. easily 5 pounds lighter than mine, and shot a couple of groups of 3 that would fit in my thumbnail at 100 yds from a factory rifle! understandibly most ballistics wont b duplicated n the field because most hunters dont carry 28"-26" barrels hunting, i havent seen the tables for the .270WSM or 7mmWSM yet, but trusting the ballistic tables for the 300WSM, it comes close enough for the girls i go with. even after calming down...its still my opinion. we all got one.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

just give me an '06

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RE: 270 WSM.
 

I'm not too impressed with the new short magnums, from either Rem. or Win. Like otis said, magnums should be used for large game, not deer sized game. I bet that a competant handloader could make a 30-06 (or any caliber derived from it, .270,.280 in this case) outperform the WSM's and RUSA's in their respective calibers with bullets on the heavy end of the scale. It would seem to me that with a cartridge that short, a heavy-for-caliber bullet will have to be seated so deep that it will take away a good chunk of powder capacity. Now with bullets that are suited for smaller game, 130gr. .270, 140 gr. .280, and 150 & 165 gr., .30, I'm sure the Short mags will outperform. But I'm not a fan of a bullet that will blow up immediately on impact, and some bullets will at these velocities. I'll just stick with the cartridge I know and trust, .30-06

RE: 270 WSM.
 

I did some comparisons using the Point Blank program and was not impressed.
270Win 130gr bullet 3050fps 250yd zero bullet hits 3in high at 150yds and 3.25in low at 300yds.
270WSM 130gr bullet 3275fps 250yd zero bullet hits 2.25in high at 150yds and 3in low at 300 yds.
I would not run out and trade my old .270 for a WSM unless it was a 7mm or 300

RE: 270 WSM.
 

We'll just have to wait and see!

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I disagree if your saying that a .270 in not a great deer cartridge.

I could very easily say that in most &quot;Deer Hunters&quot; opinions a 300 Win Mag is overkill for deer. Everyone has an opinion!

Edited by - fight4yourguns on 01/19/2002 09:54:55

RE: 270 WSM.
 

I would think that the 7mm short magnums will do better than the 270 because they are so close in size but the 7mm will shoot heavier bullets which many people like to shoot on larger game such as moose and elk.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

Yes you can duplicate factory 300 WSM loads, but it takes work! The secret is to use low ballistic coefficient bullets that allow more powder volume to be loaded. The Grand Slam by Speer and the Swift A-Frame are two that WSM loaders have had a lot of success with. There are even a couple of 180-grain loads that exceed (barely) 3000 fps in a 24-inch barrel. This is the same performance I get out of my 300 Win Mag with the same bullet.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

fight4yourguns, I didn't say that the 270 Win wasn't a great deer cartridge. However, the 270 Win does owe a debt to Jack O'Conner, the man who championed it shamelessly. Otherwise it may be in the same on-again, off-again limbo as some other fine cartridges such as the 280 Rem, or it could have fallen by the wayside altogether.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

I like the new WSM. I would like to have one. Kinda wished I got one instead of the 300RUM. But I am not one of those guys that refuses to change wishing things would stay back in the 1900's. New rounds means new toys for me to load for. Can't stop time, it just keeps rollin and rollin.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

Frizzellr, So by that reasoning we need to credit Elmer Keith for the popularity of the 30.06??

I don't think so, both the 30.06 and the .270 popularity is based on # of rifles sold and used in the field. Face it they are both super cartidges.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

fight4yourguns,back up and take a breath. Where did I say the 270 Win was not a super cartridge? I am not trying to argue with you. The 280 Rem is also a great cartridge, agueably better than the 270 Win as far as versatility, but has nowhere near the popularity. Why? It was never the pet cartridge of a well-known gun writer. As far as the 30-06 goes, name me a cartridge except for the 30-40 Krag adopted by the military that hasn't been successful in civilian shooting. Yes, it too is a super cartridge. My original point is this, the 270WSM offers nothing over the 270 Win which could not be better served by the 7mm, or 300WSM, therefore it will not find a niche.

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Guns are alot like cars,New ones come and go every year.I shot a 270 win. Have killed a pile of game with the gun,before I got my 270
I hunted 14 yrs. with a marlin 30/30,killed alot of deer and turkey with the gun,only difference I saw between the two is you have alot more range out of the 270.Fact is any cal.of high powered rifle is traveling around three thousand fps.or better,put that speeding bullet through the heart of any living creature and it will die, dead is dead ,what you shoot it with is strictly personal prefernce.

RE: 270 WSM.
 

I'm not trying to argue with you either frizzellr, just my opinion. Your right about the military cartridges.

Edited by - fight4yourguns on 01/20/2002 18:42:12

RE: 270 WSM.
 

Let's face it many cartridges are bought by sheer popularity and not on their merits.Many people buy cartridges with no knowledge of ballistics simply because someone else usually a friend or relative has one.History and popularity does not make a cartridge perform any better but it does sell guns.This is the obstacle any new caliber has to overcome even if it offers advantages over existing cartridges.Does anyone honestly believe the 30-06 and 270 would ever be so popular if they were introduced today with all the other cartridges to choose from instead of so many years ago when they had so little competition?