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RE: 7.62x39
You cant compare apples to oranges, first off, no the A/K47 was not a copy of the MP44"Sturmgewehr", totally different operating princaples, the A/k is just under 2 1/2" shorter, weighs just over 1 1/2 lbs less, shoots 50fps faster and 100 rds/min rate of firethan the MP44.What some of you call slop, is what makes the A/K series of weapons so unbeleivably reliable, you can dunk it in a mud puddle, put it up for weeks, kick the bolt open and fire it.Look at the length of service compared to any other small arms, and the number of nations still useing it today! if it was so inaccurate and unreliable it wouldnt have lasted near as long, and there would be a bunch of Marine's and soldiers still alive today. The cartrige was designed for close combat, the days of shooting an enemy at 4 to 800yds was over in WWI, a soldier can fire this cartrige with less recoil and carry twice as much ammo. That is the same reason the M-16 was developed and put into service in Viet Nam, unfortunatly the M-16 was built with very tight tollorences, instead of SLOP, so it jammed every time it got dirty. As far as accuracy, I have a Romainian A/K that will group 4" at 250yds and just over 1" at 100yds, also killed deer and hogs with it. It also is kept beside the bed, if I need to get up in the middle of the night, that is my first go to weapon of choice!, some people need to do a little research before commenting on what they trully dont know nothing about!!.
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RE: 7.62x39
"The cartrige was designed for close combat, the days of shooting an enemy at 4 to 800yds was over in WWI, a soldier can fire this cartrige with less recoil and carry twice as much ammo. That is the same reason the M-16 was developed and put into service in Viet Nam, unfortunatly the M-16 was built with very tight tollorences, instead of SLOP, so it jammed every time it got dirty"
The AK's basic usefulness is very much dependent upon the tactics it is used with. It is a short-range, spray and pray area weapon (yes, some of them may be more accurate than the ones I tested in Viet-Nam) useful for massed infantry assaults where it is more important to make the enemy keep their heads down in their holes than to actually HIT THEM with a bullet! They are, as a whole, not too suitable forengaging point targets at any distance. I have been shot at by Charlie using AK's at ranges over 300 meters in the Delta, and none of the bullets came any closer than 6 feet or so. Yes, I admit, Charlie didn't get much in the way of basic rifle marksmanship training, IF ANY! Since I at the time had my trustyM14, Charlie was at a distinct disadvantage. The uesfulness of long range accuracy did not disappear at the end of WWI! In fact, in Irag and Afghanistan, many old M14's have been trotted out, not to mention newer, more sophisticated sniper weapons up to .50 BMG in caliber, just because the M-16 did not cut the mustard. The ranges were too long! So the usefuness of the AK vs weapons that are accurate at longer ranges is very much dependent upon whose battle you choose tofight. If we had ever been forced into fighting the Soviets' motorized infantry/tank battles in Europe, there's no doubt that their AK would have given them a certain advantage. But even the Soviets eventually made the mistake of adopting a .22 caliber round to replace the 7.62X39mm for the AK. |
RE: 7.62x39
my biggest challenge to great accuracy was finding the right bullet.my most accurate loads are with 2 different bullets and 3 different powders
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RE: 7.62x39
ORIGINAL: cataway my biggest challenge to great accuracy was finding the right bullet.my most accurate loads are with 2 different bullets and 3 different powders |
RE: 7.62x39
the AR 15 load is a hornady bullet ,its alittle hard to get ,its a 123 gr V-MAX part # 31442,i have only found it in one mail order catalog, Graf & Sons, for my gun the OAL is 2.283, or as long as the clip will allow.
powder is H335 31.5 gr. winchester brass, Fed 210 primers. the mini-30 likes this load as well ,but a shorter oal, (its a mini 30, i dont expect much from it ) the encore rifle has a preference for AA 2460 power and sierra 125gr bullets the encore pistol likes a sierra 125 gr fnhp bullet made for the 30-30 # 2020 ,the bullet set out as far as it can, the base of the bullet is in the brass about an1/8'' the power is H4198 a full case of it ,its a very hot load, i would not dare try it in any other gun. its what this gun likes ,and its a tack driver |
RE: 7.62x39
ORIGINAL: eldeguello "The cartrige was designed for close combat, the days of shooting an enemy at 4 to 800yds was over in WWI, a soldier can fire this cartrige with less recoil and carry twice as much ammo. That is the same reason the M-16 was developed and put into service in Viet Nam, unfortunatly the M-16 was built with very tight tollorences, instead of SLOP, so it jammed every time it got dirty" The AK's basic usefulness is very much dependent upon the tactics it is used with. It is a short-range, spray and pray area weapon (yes, some of them may be more accurate than the ones I tested in Viet-Nam) useful for massed infantry assaults where it is more important to make the enemy keep their heads down in their holes than to actually HIT THEM with a bullet! They are, as a whole, not too suitable forengaging point targets at any distance. I have been shot at by Charlie using AK's at ranges over 300 meters in the Delta, and none of the bullets came any closer than 6 feet or so. Yes, I admit, Charlie didn't get much in the way of basic rifle marksmanship training, IF ANY! Since I at the time had my trustyM14, Charlie was at a distinct disadvantage. The uesfulness of long range accuracy did not disappear at the end of WWI! In fact, in Irag and Afghanistan, many old M14's have been trotted out, not to mention newer, more sophisticated sniper weapons up to .50 BMG in caliber, just because the M-16 did not cut the mustard. The ranges were too long! So the usefuness of the AK vs weapons that are accurate at longer ranges is very much dependent upon whose battle you choose tofight. If we had ever been forced into fighting the Soviets' motorized infantry/tank battles in Europe, there's no doubt that their AK would have given them a certain advantage. But even the Soviets eventually made the mistake of adopting a .22 caliber round to replace the 7.62X39mm for the AK. My dad is a Marine he was in Da nang from 66' to 67' he was a forward observer for 1/10 but he was runnin around the jungle with 1/1. He loved his trusty M-14, he's glad he never had to diddle with a M-16. |
RE: 7.62x39
ORIGINAL: cataway the AR 15 load is a hornady bullet ,its alittle hard to get ,its a 123 gr V-MAX part # 31442,i have only found it in one mail order catalog, Graf & Sons, for my gun the OAL is 2.283, or as long as the clip will allow. powder is H335 31.5 gr. winchester brass, Fed 210 primers. the mini-30 likes this load as well ,but a shorter oal, (its a mini 30, i dont expect much from it ) the encore rifle has a preference for AA 2460 power and sierra 125gr bullets the encore pistol likes a sierra 125 gr fnhp bullet made for the 30-30 # 2020 ,the bullet set out as far as it can, the base of the bullet is in the brass about an1/8'' the power is H4198 a full case of it ,its a very hot load, i would not dare try it in any other gun. its what this gun likes ,and its a tack driver |
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