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My AR, a bushmaster 16" shorty carbine A3 upperwith M4 barrel shoots about 4-5MOA at 100 yards with my EOTech sight. I shot 62gr wolf FMJ, 55gr Wolf FMJ, 55gr Wolf HP, and M193, and M855. The 55gr wolf FMJ shot the best. About 3.5MOA at 100 yards.

Is this about what I can expect with the cheap ammo? I can deal with that, as its a bang bang fun gun, but expected it to at least get 2MOA. But with the EOTech, it might be me. It has some parallax at 200 yards I notice.

Not sure whether to reload for it. I have 2000 rounds to go thru. I would buy some Black hills or quality ammo, but not sure if its going to shoot better.

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You NEED to RELOAD and work up a load with conventional scope mounted,THEN mount your cqc sight. If it didn't do better than that,I'd have it apart faster than you could blink modifying/changing/accurizing it!

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Yea, thats what I am thinking. I knew it wouldn't be a tack driver, but didn't expect minute of pumpkin.

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I do not shoot the inexpensive ammo in my rifle-so I can not speak to it. I do shoot The Black Hills, Red Box, 50 grain V-Max Varmint in my RR Varminter. I am very impressed with th BH accuracy. I can shoot 2 inch(just under), 5 shot groups at 300 yards. That is as good as I can shoot. I do not doubt that it would shoot better. I have been reloading for 30 years, and I consider myself to be fairly proficient at reloading. I do not think I could get much more out of my RR by reloading. I bought a bunch on sale. And I am about to buy a whole bunch more(IMO the price is about to rise drastically again). I reload for every centerfire I can think of, except for my RR Varminter. Tom.

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I know your gun should shoot, but kinda wondering about the chrome lined bushmasters with m4 barrel.

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I shoot a sporter AK chambered in .223 and I use the Wolf ammo all the time at the range. It is not very accurate ammunition. The best luck I have had with the cheap stuff is the Silver Bear 62gr. HP. The better ammo really shrinks the groups up, especially with the 16 inch barrel and semi-auto format.

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BC,

I don't shoot wolf. Mainly the Winchester white box and I'm getting much better accuracy than that. Maybe buy a box or two of some better stuff to see how it fairs.

Tom

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I don't shoot wolf either. I would try the South African .308 surplus stuff. I've had goo results with it in my LTR. It's probably very similar to Lake City.

I've heard some sketchy things about Bushmasters.....

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Hey guys, its not only about wolf. I shot M193, and 855 thru it. I have also shot the crap PMP south african crap, and remington. Question is, does any one else have the Bushmaster Chrome Lined 16" Shorty Carbine and if they do, how is yours shooting? I realize RR and Bushmaster DCM comp, and others shoot like noones business. But they are a totally different gun. You can't compare the two.

Tom, what kinda AR do you have?

Brut, you don't even own one. Give us a break.

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Hey BC,

Have you checked out AR15.com. There are lots of people there with the experience that you're seeking. Though the folks there aren't as nice as the folks here.

Tom

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hey dip**** what part of heard don't you understand? If I claimed I owned one I'd say so.
You're just pissed off because you bought a peice of ****.Guess youshould've bought a Knight.Or at the very least did your homework.80% of the people I talked to said Bushmasters weren't that great. Guess you found out the hard way :eek:

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I shoot Georgia Arms 55 grain FMJ (bought 1,000 rounds at the gun show) and get better groupings. I can't provide measurements though. Like you I'm using an EOTech sight. There's no way I can be certain that I'm holding at the same spot for each shot, its always a best guess.

As someone already suggested, try putting a scope on it and then try out some different ammo. I'm about ready to move a Leupold 4x12 off of another rifle for a few months just for the heck of it. The EOTechs are fun but as they're intended for close quarters I mostly practice for decent off-hand groups at 50 yards.

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They are also more than TWICEthe priceas the Bushmasters! And they probably don't even shoot as good. I bet the Knights buy thier parts from the same place as Bushmaster.

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BA, I am getting sick and tired of your heard crap. From ammo, to reloading,to your little 308. Man, if you don't own it, and don't know, don't post. Its that freakin simple. You have proven time and time again to be a liar, silly, and a child.

I didn't buy the gun to be a tack driver, I asked a question from people who actually own one. Not heard, not thier daddy had a friend who worked at speer.

Yea, your the dip here.

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Thanks Cal. I am not going to be heartbroken if it only shoots 3MOA. If I needed 0.5MOA, I would have got a fulton armory preditor. I wanted some fun bang bang. Another reason I put on a EOTech. But I was at a new range as was hitting a 18"X18" cast gong at 300 yards over and over with the EOTech. I do see about 2MOA of parallax in the EOTech.

Like you I plan on doing mostly off hand shooting at 20-50 yards.

I am planning on picking up a RR varmiter soon however.

Thanks again

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I have a Bushy 20", my friend that I shoot with regularly has a 16". We both get around 2"+ with Wolf. With reloads, his shoots in the <1" range while mine is more in the 1-1.25" range. With cheap Remington,they are both slightly better than the Wolf. I have been wanting to get ahold of some Winchester white box, but it is always sold out everywhere I go. These are both scoped BTW so with an red dot, I think you are doing pretty good.

When the shooting gets serious, I get out the 24" SS Varmint flat top and shoot in the .5" range.

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Thanks guys, that the information I was needing to decide to try some different ammo. I got some 62gr black hills too. Just got to get some dies.

I am thinking of getting into DCM matches. There is a guy at this new club that shot a 491 with a DCM Bushy. I was impressed. Thats50 shotoffhanded, open sited. I asked what he did to the gun. He said nothing. Just handloaded for it.

I would be a happy man to ever be able to shoot that well at 200 yards.

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Hey CMA, whats with the Q3131? Seems very hard to get ahold of these days.

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Spring for a box of Black Hills match ammo- it will give you a pretty good idea of your rifle's accuracypotential, you might be pleasantly suprised.

I wouldn't judge the quality or accuracy of any rifle by shooting milsurp or worse yet, Wolf ammo.

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I do have a 20 inch barrel BushMaster, and the barrel is chrome lined. I only shoot Federal American Eagle in the rifle. I do not feel qualified to speak of the types of ammo you guys are speaking of. My Federal ammo shoots 2 to 3 inch groups at 100 yards off the bench. Not impressive, but not bad for general shooting. Since I bought my RR I have put the Bushy away in the vault. I have not shot any of the Federal in the RR yet. I have been spending all my time in the ground hog fields with RR, and it is a blast to hunt with.

I got a real deal on a bunch of Federal American Eagle a few years back. So I really stocked up. Right now I am stocking up on Black Hills ammo-I am looking for another up tick in ammo prices.

I worked in the fireams industry in the 80's and 90's. There was alot of surplus ammo showing up back then. It was suppose to be this or that---but it normally ended up being something different(bad stuff). I got a bad taste in my mouth for the surplus ammo. We ruined two Garands with some surplus Turkish ammo.

The only surplus I trust is White Box Lake City .308. I am sure there is other god stuff out there, but I am not qualified to talk about it. Tom.

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I get the same results shooting my 20" Bushy with the same ammo.

LOL. I don't think the Turks subscribed to SAAMI specs. I'd be really afraid of shooting turkish 30-06 after shooting turkish 8mm mauser which typically pushes a 154gr bullet to 3000fps. I've seen pictures of Hakim rifles destoyed by Turkish ammo.

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I always thought the M193 Lake City 5.56 was supposed to be top notch stuff. Guess not. Thanks Briman, wondering when you might chime in.

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in my dpms m193 i am shooting 1" to 1.25" at 100 yards but your gun might not like it other ammo like wolf does not shoot very well in mineso you might have to try some till you find one your gun likes

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I don't have a Bushy but I do have a 16" Rock River with a chrome lined barel. I also have an EOTech on mine, and I cannot get the accuracy some people claim to get when shooting that sight. I have mounted a scope on my Rock River and it shoots all the cheap ammo very well. I've never really tried too hard to shoot groups with the EOTech, but when I sighted it in I could put them all in a softball sized group.

I'm just going to take a wild guess its the sight making you think its innacurrate.

PS - I've never heard anything bad about Bushmaster, and I've never even heard of KNIGHT (THE GOD OF ARS) ;)