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Old 01-04-2002, 08:37 PM
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The people of America not stupid? We elected Clinton twice and almost elected Gore. That should tell you something. No it might not do any good to boycott any company, but it surely won't do any good to sit on your butt and not do anything. We never thought the Brady Bill would pass either, but it did.
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Old 01-04-2002, 10:50 PM
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Please dont get me wrong.I am all for doing things to show our feelings and make our poit.I am simply tired of trying to convince others that we need to protect our personal rights from stupid people.That is the point of personal rights.I truly believe that when faced with true reason(9,11) being an example,people can see what is right.I just don't care to give up my rights despite what others may think.That is the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights.If I'm wrong then this really isnt our country anymore anyway.
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Old 01-05-2002, 12:31 AM
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It's not that people are stupid, we're "LAZY"!!! Most people believe what ever they hear on TV or the Radio or read in print. They don't take the time to check the facts. They just believe. If what they hear the most of is that hunting or owning guns is wrong there just to lazy to find the facts.

PETA's running a campaign right now putting out their propaganda to kids that milk is bad for you.

This has been going on for months and it wasn't until a couple of weeks ago that someone checked all these doctor PETA had list as references and found most to be frauds. I saw this in only one newspaper. The rest of the media has ignored these facts so what is the average person going to believe.

The media doesn’t side with hunters or gun owners unless they don’t have a choice.

This Boycott may be a small thing, but if enough of us get off our butts maybe the media will have to hake notice if General Mills ever makes a public response. General Mills will keep their mouths shut until enough of us get involved to make them open up.

I’m a lot like you keyLargo, I believe we should all believe in what we want. The ARA’s don’t see it that way! If you don’t believe the way they do then they are going to do everything in their power to change everyone else mind and make you and I an outcast.

We sportsmen & women have kept our mouth shut to long! Please help out and join the Boycott.

Fred Bear (Bear Archery) used to say if your not doing something to help the sport then your helping to destroy it. I know I want to help what about you?
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Old 01-05-2002, 06:24 AM
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I just e-mailed General Mills AND...I'm writing them a letter on paper.
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Old 01-07-2002, 03:48 PM
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I just got this post off the Bowsite:

The Chrysler corp. has taking on an anti-hunting position by featuring a commercial in which a Jeep vehicle carries 2 deer past a pair of hunters and then releases them down the road. Then the driver says "your safe now". I think this is a big mistake for chrysler since the Jeep SUV is promoted to the sportsmen. I went to DaimlerChrysler website and voiced my disgust at there actions. Please join me by by voicing your disgust.

Send to:

Ken Levy
Vice President, Communications, Chrysler Group
Tel. (248) 512-3164
Fax. (248) 512-1761
e-mail: [email protected]

It's these little things like this that help sway the 80% of the voting and consuming public against hunting. It maybe funny but thats enough.
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Old 01-08-2002, 03:37 PM
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From The Humnae Society of the United States website to you:

Learn the Facts about Hunting
Answers to Commonly Asked Questions about Hunting

Isn't hunting a worthy tradition because it teaches people about nature?
There are many ways to learn about nature and the "out-of-doors." At its best, hunting teaches people that it is okay to kill wildlife while learning about some aspects of nature. However, the very essence of sport hunting is the implicit message that it is tolerable recreation to kill and to accept the maiming of wildlife. Even those who claim that wounding and maiming is not the intent of hunting cannot deny that it happens, and that they continue to hunt anyway.
It is folly to suggest that we can teach love, respect, and appreciation for nature and the environment through such needless destruction of wildlife. One can learn about nature by venturing into the woods with binoculars, a camera, a walking stick, or simply with our eyes and ears open to the world around us.

Does hunting help create a bond between father and son?
We do not know, but there are countless recreational and other activities that can strengthen the parent/child bond. Bonding has less to do with the activity and more to do with whether the parent and child spend significant, concentrated, and loving time together. Yet the particular recreational activity engaged in is also important, because what emerges from it is not only bonding but also a moral message to the child about what constitutes acceptable recreation.
Hunting as a form of family entertainment is destructive not only to the animals involved, but also to the morals and ethics of young children who are shown or taught that needless killing is acceptable recreation. The Humane Society of the United States rejects the notion that a relationship of love and companionship should be based on the needless killing of innocent creatures. Killing for fun teaches callousness, disrespect for life, and the notion that "might makes right."

Isn't hunting a popular and growing form of recreation?
No. The number of hunters has been steadily declining for decades. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, in 1994 there were 15.3 million licensed hunters in the U.S., compared with 15.6 million in 1993, 15.8 million in 1990, and 16.3 million in 1980. This drop has occurred even while the general population has been growing—now just six percent of Americans hold hunting licenses. Hunters claim that their numbers are growing in order to give the impression that recreational killing is acceptable. The facts are that more and more hunters are giving up hunting because it is no longer a socially acceptable activity.

What are state wildlife agencies doing to maintain interest in hunting?
Most states actively recruit children into hunting, through special youth hunts. Sometimes these youth hunts are held on National Wildlife Refuges. Some states have carried this concept even further, and hold special hunter education classes to recruit parents and their children. In addition to encouraging children to buy licenses and kill animals, the states are reaching out to women as well. If enough women and children can be converted into hunters, the state agencies can continue business as usual.
Isn't hunting a well-regulated activity?
No. While there are many rules which regulate hunting activities, enforcing the regulations is difficult and many hunters do not abide by the rules. It has been estimated that twice as many deer are killed illegally as are killed legally. Hunters will sometimes kill a second deer because it has bigger antlers or "rack" than the first. In addition, duck hunters often exceed their bag limits or kill protected species because most hunters cannot identify the species of ducks that they shoot—especially not at a half hour before sunrise, when shooting begins. Secret observations revealed by ex-duck hunters demonstrate that illegal practices and killing permeate this activity at all levels.

Aren't animals protected from hunting pressure through "bag limits" imposed by each state?
Those species favored by hunters are given certain protection from over-killing—killing so many as to severely limit the population—through what are known as "bag" limits. However, hunting of some species is completely unregulated, and in fact, wanton killing is encouraged. Animals such as skunks, coyotes, porcupines, crows and prairie dogs are considered "varmints," and unlimited hunting of these species is permitted year- round in many states. At the base of this is the notion that these animals are simply "vermin" and do not deserve to live. Hunters frequently write and speak of the pleasure in "misting" prairie dogs - by which they mean shooting the animals with hollow-point bullets that cause them to literally explode in a mist of blood. This practice reveals a callous disregard for life that is indefensible.
Moreover, hunters' influence on state and federal wildlife agencies is so strong that even bag limits on "game" species are influenced as much by politics as by biology. Many states, with the sanction of the federal government, allow hunters to kill large numbers (20-40 per day) of coots and waterfowl such as sea ducks and mergansers, for example, despite the fact that little is known about their populations and their ability to withstand hunting pressure, and the fact that these ducks are certainly not killed for food. This killing is encouraged to maintain hunter interest, thereby sustaining license sales, since the decline in other duck species has resulted in some limitations on numbers that can be killed.

Isn't it more humane to kill wildlife by hunting than to allow animals to starve?
This question is based on a false premise. Hunters kill opossums, squirrels, ravens, and numerous other plentiful species without the pretension of shooting them so that they do not starve or freeze to death. Many species are killed year round in unlimited numbers. In addition, many animals that are not hunted die of natural starvation, but hunters do not suggest killing them. While it is true that any animal killed by a hunter cannot die of starvation, hunters kill animals with no notion of which animals are weak and likely to succumb to starvation. Therefore, hunters who claim that they hunt to prevent animals from suffering starvation are simply trying to divert attention from an analysis of the propriety of killing wildlife for fun.

Aren't most hunts to limit overpopulation and not truly for recreation?
No. Most hunted species are not considered to be overpopulated even by the wildlife agencies that set seasons and bag limits to govern the percentage of populations that can be legally killed. Black ducks, for instance, face continued legal hunting—even on National Wildlife Refuges—despite the fact that their populations are at or near all time lows. If hunters claim that they hunt in order to prevent overpopulation, then they should be prepared to forgo hunting except when it really is necessary to manage overpopulated species. This would mean no hunting of doves, ducks, geese, raccoons, bears, cougars, turkeys, quail, chuckar, pheasants, rabbits, squirrels, and many other species.
Moreover, hunters are usually the first to protest when wolves, coyotes, and other predators move into an area and begin to take over the job of controlling game populations. The State of Alaska, for example, has instituted wolf-control (trapping and shooting), on the grounds that wolf predation may bring caribou populations down to a level that would limit the sport-hunting of caribou. Finally, hunters kill opossums, foxes, ravens, and numerous other plentiful species without the pretension of shooting them so that they do not starve or freeze to death.

Is hunting to prevent wildlife overpopulation usually effective?
No. Wildlife, to a large degree, will naturally regulate its own populations if permitted, eliminating any need for hunting as a means of population control. Discussions which arise in regard to supposed wildlife overpopulation problems apply primarily to deer. Hunters often claim that hunting is necessary to control deer populations. As practiced, however, hunting often contributes to the growth of deer herds. Heavily hunted states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, for instance, are among those experiencing higher deer densities than perhaps ever before. When an area's deer population is reduced by hunting, the remaining animals respond by having more young, which survive because the competition for food and habitat is reduced. Since one buck can impregnate many does, policies which permit the killing of bucks contribute to high deer populations. If population control were the primary purpose for conducting deer hunts, hunters would only be permitted to kill does. This is not the case, however, because hunters demand that they be allowed to kill bucks for their antlers.

Does hunting ensure stable, healthy wildlife populations?
No. The hunting community's idea of a "healthy" wildlife population is a population managed like domestic livestock, for maximum productivity. In heavily hunted and "managed" populations, young animals feed on artificially enhanced food sources, grow and reproduce rapidly, then fall quickly to the guns and arrows of hunters. Few animals achieve full adulthood. After twenty years of heavy deer hunting at the Great Swamp National Wildlife Refuge in New Jersey, for example, only one percent of the deer population lived longer than four years, and fewer than ten percent lived longer than three years. In a naturally regulated population, deer often live twelve years or longer.

Though hunting clearly kills individual animals, can hunting actually hurt wildlife populations?
Yes. Hunters continue to kill many species of birds and mammals (e.g., cougars, wolves, black ducks, swans) that are at dangerously low population levels. While hunting may not be the prime cause of the decline of these species, it must contribute to their decline and, at a minimum, frustrate efforts to restore them.
Even deer populations may be damaged by hunting pressure. Unlike natural predators and the forces of natural selection, hunters do not target the weaker individuals in populations of deer or other animals.
Rather, deer hunters seek out the bucks that have the largest rack. This desire for "trophy sized" bucks can and has had detrimental effects on the health of deer herds. First, hunting can impact the social structure of a herd of deer because hunters kill the mature males of a herd and create a disproportionate ratio of females to males. It is not uncommon to find a herd that has no bucks over the age of three. Second, genetically inferior bucks may be left to propagate the species, thereby weakening the overall health of the herd.
Because hunters largely want to shoot only bucks, hunting may cause artificial inflation of deer populations. When these populations reach levels that available habitat cannot support, increased disease and starvation may be the result.
We don't understand the full effect of hunting on wildlife behavior or health because wildlife agencies will not conduct the studies necessary to find the answers (i.e., "spy-blind" observations of duck hunting, in which undercover authorities secretly observe hunters).

Is hunting for food a good way to save money on grocery bills?
Almost never. When all costs are considered (e.g., license fees, equipment, food, lodging and transportation), hunting is not an economical way to provide food. Statistics gathered by the University of Maryland's Extension Service reveal that hunters spent more than $51 million to kill 46,317 deer in Maryland in 1990. This breaks down to approximately $1,100 for each deer killed. Assuming that the meat of each deer killed was preserved and eaten, and that each deer provided 45 lbs. of meat, the cost of venison in 1990 in Maryland was $24.44 per pound. For most hunted animals, such as ducks, doves, rabbits, squirrels, and crows, among others, use for food is now minimal, and the expense of equipment far outweighs the value of any food that is obtained. For the vast majority of hunters, hunting is recreation, not a means of gathering food.
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Old 01-10-2002, 05:33 PM
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Got my cheesy response from General Mills today. Here it is:

Dear Mr. Sears:

Thank you for contacting us to express your concern with the "Pets and their Celebrities" calendar currently being included with Golden Grahams cereal. The calendar promotes the benefits - and responsibilities - of pet ownership

We did not anticipate that a calendar promoting responsible pet ownership would be in any way controversial. Our focus was on the message the calendar conveys, about the wonders and benefits of being a pet owner, and reinforcing the responsibilities of pet ownership. We felt the calendar was an excellent vehicle to communicate that topic. In no way was it intended to convey that General Mills is against hunting, fishing or farming. General Mills is not anti-hunting or anti-fishing. We have even honored champion fisherman on the Wheaties box, most recently in August of 1999.

But we also now realize that some of the views espoused by HSUS, from whom we obtained the calendars, are not shared by an important number of customers and consumers. That point has been driven home by consumer contacts like yours, and we are taking your views to heart. Your views will certainly be shared with the decision-makers involved in this and future decisions regarding our promotional tie-in partners.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us and make us aware of your feeling on this matter.


Vanessa Penns

General Mills
Consumer Services

On another note...
K-Mart is on the brink of closing a number of stores. They may even eventually go out of business. Stock analysts are saying that their shares are dropping like Bill Clinton's pants.

Ya know...this all started about the time that they had the big "Pumpkinhead" (Rosie O'donnel) problems. Remember when she wasn't going to do their ads anymore?? Because of guns/ammo?

Sportsman have power.

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