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1011 yard shot
Saw a guy on a hunting show drop an antelope at 1011 yards. What type of gun would drop that?
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RR-
That Allen Magnum is a pretty sweet rig. ;)Does it kick a lot?? hunterspaces- What show did you see it on? Best of the West?? |
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Just saw the clip. It was www.thompsonlongrange.com that did it, but they never said what kind of rifle they were using.
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I would use my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 LC. Good out to 1600 yards or so. Only a 1000 on Elk.:)
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I have a several, here's my latest..................
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Some guys filmed thier doe hunt at the ranch I work at this past fall. One of the does was shot at 800 yards in the head with a 300 RUM. Coolest thing about the video is that you can see vapor trails on most of the shots.;)
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The thing thatbothers me about all these filmed hunting shows with their long shots is that they never show the ones that are horribly crippled to crawl off to die.
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Though I am very impressed by long range shots on game, it is just shooting and can't be considered "hunting".
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falcon. I am glad that some see the real picture. You hit it on the head.
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Everyone has different opinion of "long range"! I would shoot at prarie dogs at 400 and beyond and not worry about hit or miss but for deer or any meat game I want to take home I would personally rather keep the distance to 300-!Most of the long shot gunners get alot of practice I hope,then there are nimrods that think if it's on TV then anyone can do it!
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ORIGINAL: RLoving1 Everyone has different opinion of "long range"! I would shoot at prarie dogs at 400 and beyond and not worry about hit or miss but for deer or any meat game I want to take home I would personally rather keep the distance to 300-!Most of the long shot gunners get alot of practice I hope,then there are nimrods that think if it's on TV then anyone can do it! Did anyone check out the link I posted? It is an actual long range school, its like $1200 or something like that. |
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It takes lots of practice and preparation to make accurate shots at long range. Probably just as much practice and preparation as it takes to learn how to get close in on game, maybe more. I won't say that it isn't hunting; it seems to be more of a stlye difference. Would you rather spend the majority of your time in the woods or at the range? My choice is made for me. There isn't a range longer than 300 within 200 miles, and even if there was, the longest shot opportunity I could get is about 200 yards. Besides, since I have started doing archery, its more important to me to develop close-in skills, and I enjoy it more than the range.
The way I see it, if you can make the shot consistenly, great, just don't ask me to help you drag that animal out the extra 1000 yards. |
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A lot of those video clips are floating around on youtube as well. One of the main dudes putting them up (and I know he took a speed goat on one, but not sure if its the same) is using a 30-378. To each his own with long range shooting...
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I man can practice all he wants and have all the equipment in the world to make that long shot. However you have no control over the wind or over what that animal may do at that last split second. IMO We owe it to the game we hunt to eliminate every possible variable to making a clean fast kill. The closer the better.
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I'm a big fan of close shots! I'd settle for a heated truck bumping one off driving in the pasture overMY poor long distance skills!
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I don't care for advocating shots of that distance. Some people may be able to shoot consistently on a range at those distances (not many however) but under field conditions there are just too many variables. Variable wind speeds and direction, mirage, up and down hill angled shots, to name just a few. Hell out past 1000 yards even things like variations in altitude, temperature, and humidity can affect the degree of bullet drop. Not to mention the increased likelyhood of not being able to find an animal that was hit and ran at that distance. Hell, I've shot animals at 200 yards and had troublepicking upthe blood trail. Just imagine the potential difficuties of striking the trail of an animal that was standing 1100 yards away and ran 100 yards after the shot. Besides every game animal in this country are hunted and routinely killed by bowhunters at ranges less than 50 yards. If a bowman can get that close then I can't see any reason why a rifleman can't at least get within 500 yards. It's a sad @$$ commentary on his hunting skills if he can't.
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"It's a sad @$$ commentary on his hunting skills if he can't."
Bingo!!! That comment said it all. |
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The only constant is change.
Many of the points made against "long range"taking of gamewere also no doubtuttered by Mountain Men using flintlock musketsand considering a 70 yard shot for a large/tough game animal as being"long range." Now hunters usings scoped centerfire riflesroutinely consider a 200-300 yard shot easy and ethical. Technology moves ever forward. Techniques and talents improve. And those who are steadfastlyanchored in the past.... complain. I've shot plenty of stuff close, now long is starting to look quite interesting. |
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IMO every reliable rifle can shoot and kill at that distance. It's not the gun or caliber as much as it is the shooter and scope.
You've got to know your ballistics out to that distance. Scopes used for that either have some kind of bullet drop reticle or an adjustable elevation turret. They "dial in" the distance on the turret, and let 'er go. I've seen a DVD by this guy in Wyoming where they are dropping elk in their tracks at 700 yards and beyond. Unbelievable. The guns used are customized and have that type of scope on them. And, most important, practice / praCTICE / PRACTICE! I think they said the caliber was closest to a 7mm Mag. |
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Alot of pros and cons . I spent most of a summer getting proficiant for an antilope hunt . My "successfull" buddy insited that I had to be able to whack a canilope at 400 yds for the hunt I must have worked way to hard as the hunt didnt pan out . Later in 300 yd deer country I took my deer at about 80 yrds . I guess if you invest enough time its worth it for that just in case shot . I always thought that would be the way to hunt griz with a 50 bmg if you dont kill clean at 1000 plus atleast theres a chance it'll bleed out before it eats you .Barns builds a "X" in 50 dont they ? Just kidding . There was that guy at AdobeWalls that whacked anfellow at like 1500 yds with like a 45-70 maybe it was a 45-110 . Luck as good as skill some days .
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i hate hereing or seeing people shot a deer or what ever at 200-300 yards thats just shooting i don't see the fun or reward you get for shooting something that far. my farthest shot was 65 yards. we need to practice being hunters and not shooters. if you can't get within a 100 yards then i wouldnt shoot
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Factor this in gents . . . hunting out west is far different than sittin' in a tree stand in Georgia or Indiana. Unbelievably different. We can't bait or use feeders (even game attracting crops), we can't hunt during the rut, we are scouting/hunting/covering 1000's of square miles to your "40 acre woods" . . . just to mention a few.
You have to practice 300+ yard shots in the unlikely event that it is your only "shot" at that prize. No self respecting hunter takes unethical shots. Please don't think this is common place. Hunting is still the sport of finding game and putting the stalk on them. Those shows or video better say "Don't try this at home" at some point because it is not common to have to do that, but exciting as hell when it works! It's one thing too to lob 100 yard shots at yotes or prarie dogs or the neighbor's dog (oops!), it's wuite another to try it on an elk, mulie, or whatever. Again I emphasize . . . those guys have highly sophisticated equipment (who even owns a range finder that goes that far?), and have practiced it many, many times. |
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Not every reliable rifle will make accurate shots at that range. AK's are very reliable, but the ballistics on the 7.62X39 are rotten out past 250 yds. Even with the appropriate round, there are variables in your eqiupment that need to be worked out. That's just to get the rifle consistent, getting the shooter consistent takes even more work. There's still nothing wrong with the taking the shot, if you know you can do it.
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ORIGINAL: game4lunch Factor this in gents . . . hunting out west is far different than sittin' in a tree stand in Georgia or Indiana. Unbelievably different. We can't bait or use feeders (even game attracting crops), we can't hunt during the rut, we are scouting/hunting/covering 1000's of square miles to your "40 acre woods" . . . just to mention a few. You have to practice 300+ yard shots in the unlikely event that it is your only "shot" at that prize. No self respecting hunter takes unethical shots. I know both in VA and SC most of the time the humidity and mirage are so bad you can't see 300 yards...even if it is down a gas line or in a bean field. Even so...if you are dialed in 1.5" high at 100, MOST rifles will handle a 300 yard shot with no change in hold. That is of course, your modern bolts...the 30/30s, 44s, 45/70s and what not will have a steeper trajectory. But a .270, 06, 6mm, 7mm, etc...no problem at 300. 400...well....thats another story. I've shot targets out to 600....but my longest shot with a rifle on deer....190....hope it never needs to get any farther! |
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ORIGINAL: game4lunch Factor this in gents . . . hunting out west is far different than sittin' in a tree stand in Georgia or Indiana. Unbelievably different. We can't bait or use feeders (even game attracting crops), we can't hunt during the rut, we are scouting/hunting/covering 1000's of square miles to your "40 acre woods" . . . just to mention a few. You have to practice 300+ yard shots in the unlikely event that it is your only "shot" at that prize. No self respecting hunter takes unethical shots. Please don't think this is common place. Hunting is still the sport of finding game and putting the stalk on them. Those shows or video better say "Don't try this at home" at some point because it is not common to have to do that, but exciting as hell when it works! It's one thing too to lob 100 yard shots at yotes or prarie dogs or the neighbor's dog (oops!), it's wuite another to try it on an elk, mulie, or whatever. Again I emphasize . . . those guys have highly sophisticated equipment (who even owns a range finder that goes that far?), and have practiced it many, many times. I agree. I see most on here make some rather silly comments, I would bet have not hunted out west. So basically what some are saying is, "I don't hunt that way and don't know how, so its not ethical". East hunting is very, very different from west hunting. I learned that the hard way. 500 yards seems like 200yards here in the east. I bet pushing shots out to 800 yards would be fun. I used to long range shoot when I had a farm available to do it. But for someone with the skill to do it, why not. To me, its no different than someone trying to make a 30 - 40 yard bow shot. Not everyone can or should try it. |
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IMO every reliable rifle can shoot and kill at that distance. It's not the gun or caliber as much as it is the shooter and scope. You can't winthe Daytona 500 in a Saturn just like you can't shoot 1000 yards consistantly and accurately with an off the shelf Remington SPS. You have to have the proper equipment first and then you must develop the skills with that equipment in order to be successful. if you can't get within a 100 yards then i wouldnt shoot  I can see that 380" elk or 190" deer standing 150 yards away and you refusing to shoot it with that .30-06, 300 mag, or what ever you may be hunting with. That's like saying that you won't shoot past 10 yards with your bow. Try getting within 100 yards of a mature antelope buck with a harem of does where you can see for miles after he has been stalked several times unsuccessfully through out the season by other hunters. Remember than antelope have vision equivalent to ours looking through 8 power binoculars. I would love to have the money, time and facilities to be able to routinely shoot at 800 yards and farther. |
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I have a buddy who is an outfitter and knows of the guyyou speak of. He says he shoots a 30-378wby mag. Unknown what grain bullets he uses. He says he custom builds all of his rifles and was a sniper in the military before his videos began to surface.
Hope this helps. |
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a pda with a ballistic program once you understand ballistics |
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Here is the link to the shot in question.
http://huntingcorp.ning.com/video/video/show?id=790853:Video:67 |
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Trouble is, any idiot with any rifle can make that shot once in a while and of course thats the only pictures you will ever see. If an animal that far away takes that unexpected step or a little whirlwind or unseen air currents occur, there is a lack of time for correction and a little change will amount to a huge difference in the hit. I will always feel that you need to put every thing possible in your favor and getting as close as possible is a huge part of that thinking. For those who like the challenge of long range shooting (Of which I am One and have done a lot of it) there are targets. Its every bit as satisfying to me to see a steel target topple or a 1000 yard gong ring as it is to kill something. And you can't wound a target.
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ORIGINAL: James B For those who like the challenge of long range shooting (Of which I am One and have done a lot of it) there are targets. Its every bit as satisfying to me to see a steel target topple or a 1000 yard gong ring as it is to kill something. And you can't wound a target. |
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6-7" groups at 1000 is darned good shooting if you are punching paper, but that same group is HUGE if you are trying to shoot a deer with it.:eek:
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ORIGINAL: North Texan 6-7" groups at 1000 is darned good shooting if you are punching paper, but that same group is HUGE if you are trying to shoot a deer with it.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner try an offhand group at 150, then tell me how it is! RR |
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ORIGINAL: jeepkid ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner try an offhand group at 150, then tell me how it is! RR |
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I don't either, 700 is a lot different than 1000+. If I had capable rigs and a steady rest with lots of practice I would try a 600 or 700 yard shot. Thats why I asked about your Allen Mag, I think that would be awesome to get proficiant with moderate range shots like that. But I think 700 is about the max, any more and I just think theres too many variables. IMO
Oops, BigCountry posted the same time as me. I can hit 10 inch balloons at 500 with the 7mm Rem Mag. I have shot 800 or so (at a rock), with a .300 Ultra and the bullet dropped about 20 feet. I don't have any spot to shoot a 1000. Like I said, coyotes, squirrels, p-dogs, I think would be awesome to try and hit at that distance. But larger animals I want to have a little more room for error (wind, up drafts, animal gets spooked, etc...) IMO |
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Missing a little is no big deal on targets, you just laugh and try again. However targets don't move at the last second causing the often gut shot critters one finds that crawled off and died after Rambo miscued. Thats all I got to say on this one. Folks. Good hunting, The anti's are watching.
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If I ever make it out to West Virginia I am going to stop by and check out your long range guns and maybe get ya to teach me some long range tricks. ;) |
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ORIGINAL: jeepkid I don't either, 700 is a lot different than 1000+. If I had capable rigs and a steady rest with lots of practice I would try a 600 or 700 yard shot. Thats why I asked about your Allen Mag, I think that would be awesome to get proficiant with moderate range shots like that. But I think 700 is about the max, any more and I just think theres too many variables. IMO Oops, BigCountry posted the same time as me. I can hit 10 inch balloons at 500 with the 7mm Rem Mag. I have shot 800 or so (at a rock), with a .300 Ultra and the bullet dropped about 20 feet. I don't have any spot to shoot a 1000. Like I said, coyotes, squirrels, p-dogs, I think would be awesome to try and hit at that distance. But larger animals I want to have a little more room for error (wind, up drafts, animal gets spooked, etc...) IMO |
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