Down to 3 and Need Help
 

Hey,
I habe got it down to 3 guns now.
A 300. Win. Mag.
or a 300. Wsm
or a 7mm Rem. Mag.
or a 7mm WSM

Ok now i need some help now.
What Cal. of Gun should i go with.
Does the 300. Win. Mag have more punch power and knock down power than the 300. Wsm
or
Does the 7mm Rem. Meg. have more knock down power than the 7mm WSM.

Also guys i am looking for a gun that has some power to pick and sit down Whitetail Deer with authroity.
Please help me out
Thanks
Travis H.

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Personally I would go with one of the WSM's. I have never really liked belted cartriges. I prefer one that headspaces on the shoulder rather than the belt. Just my personal preferance.

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Any of the calibers you mentioned is more than enough for strictly a whitetail rifle; in fact I'd back off to a 7mm-08 or a .270 Win, either of which is perfectly adequate out to 400 yards with the carefully selected factory load with a high-BC bullet. (Ballistic Tip, Scirrocco, et. al.)

Deer don't necessarily drop in their tracks any quicker with more velocity, although the hunter does of course gain additional useable "able to take the shot" yardage with the faster rounds, and of course a flatter trajectory. BUt as the two slower rounds are adequate out to ranges where 90% of most hunters should pass on taking the shot, I'd prefer the more pleasant and efficient rounds. (Where elk are introduced into the equation, I'd take the next step up to the 7mmRM or .300 Win Mag, or an -06)

Shot placement is more important than a couple hundred extra fps for an exiting projectile.

Good luck whichever you choose...

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300 Win. Mag. Good luck.

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Either the 7mm rem or wsm with a 140-150gr bullet will do a number on any deer as far out as you can hit them. I would go with the remington strictly because you can probably get ammo for it a lot easier than the other three choices.

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i would go with the 300WSM.i always liked short actions better. especially when in 2003 federal is coming out with 180gr. ballistic tips and 180gr. nosler partitions for this caliber.

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Any of the cartridges you mentioned will work well. We all have our favorite or the need to be different. If not, the firearm companies would only chamber 3 or 4 different rounds and that's all we'd have to choose from. I'd just pick the one you like best. I don't think you'd see any difference in performance on whitetail. All four are much more than sufficient.

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i would go with a 270 wsm they are great.and very very flat shotters

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Go with the .300 Win mag. It's gonna give you more punch than the 7mm, even though the 7mm is faster and flatter, the .300's a lot bigger bullet, and in most bullet structures will transfer it's energy better, which I define as punch (keepin it short, lol).

Don't buy a WSM, they are a lot of hype. Yes, they do out perform the previous standard rounds (7mm excepted), however, the ones that they barely overshadow, .300 win mag included, were more than enough before. The WSM's are the solution to a problem that never existed, winchester just needed something new to pawn off in this age where people feel they need the fastest, or biggest, or nothing at all. Plus, why spend $2 a round and get a limited selection of rounds from only one or two manufacturers with the WSM's. Save yourself some money, and get better bullet selections with a round that's going to do everything that the WSM's ever could, get the .300 win mag.

On a side note...the .30-06 deserves it's fair shake in this debate, it'll do almost everything the .300 win mag ever has and just as well.

Screw the 10 ring, keep them in the zero!!!

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"The WSM's are the solution to a problem that never existed, .."

Well, the shorter length action is one bonus....

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Mossberg

I agree with Mark in NE's first post,why beat yourself around for no reason,the 7mm-08 or 270 win will do the job with some to spare.

If you want more look at the 270wsm but for what your after the 7mm-08 would be fine,the deer wont know the difference!

Tumbo

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My advice would be go with the lucky 7's, either one the rem mag or short mag. Twenty eight caliber is the best for penetration. I would take a 7 mag over a 300 any day. The longer, more slender bullet of a .28 will out penetrate the short fat .30 any day of the week. I love my 7mm Rem Mag, but may go with the ultra mag short next year in a smaller lighter gun.

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No the WSMs do not out-perform 7mm Rem Mag and the 300 Win Mag. Its all a load of crap. The 270 WSM is faster than the 270 Win, but not as fast as the 270 Weatherby Mag.

BeltedMag, show me evidence in the field that the 7mm has so much more penetrative power than the 308 bullet. Dead deer tell no tales.

Having said that I will admit that since I got my 7mm-08 Rem that my 300 Win Mag has seen no action. I really don't need that much punch for deer.

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WSM cost more to but and more to shot for ammo, than the traditionals. If you buy factory ammo (like said) you are very limited at this point and availablity is an issue as well. I don't believe they are better than their long action pals, i guess if your a short action guy and need less weight maybe a good choice.

I have used a 270 and several 30 cals for deer, all work well. However i have now gone to the 7 Rem Mag, I couldn't be happier and it is all i need for lopers-moose. Shells are cheaper and recoil is less than the 300 win Mag. But either would be a good choice.

Just buy what you want and you'll be happy. I know many tried to talk me into other calibers, but in the end I wanted the 7 Rem Mag cause of it's flat shooting, it provided me extra punch than the 270(I prefered to use on Whitetails), range of game I could take and bullet styles. I didn't ever use 200 Gr or up with my other 30 cals, so never saw the need to buy a 300 win just in case. Bonus was cheaper shells than the 300 win Mag!

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Of the calibers you mentioned, I would select the .300 Win Mag. The .300 WM has a greater selection of factory bullets over any of the short magnums. I would choose .300 WM over the 7 MM Mag because of the handloading opportunities should you ever go that route. There seems to be more bullets for .308" than .284". All the calibers on your list, as well as those mentioned in the replies are top notch.

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All three numbers will whack deer with authority to any range you might want to kill one. Go with which ever one appeals to you most.

Personally, though, I'd go with a .270 WSM. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Good Dogwork and Good Hunting

Edited by - seattlesetters on 12/12/2002 11:52:46