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Old 01-21-2007, 09:46 AM
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I dont know about used wasnt able to find one. I just ordered a new Marlin 1895 gs 45-70 for $570 that included the cost of having it ordered.

I have looked around and have found the Ammo very easy to find from $28-$52 a box.
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:38 AM
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What Biscuit Jake says is correct, as far as it goes. The .45/70 was adopted as the Army service rifle cartridge in 1873 for use in the Trapdoor Springfieldl,the same year as the Army adopted the .45 Colt in the Single Action Army revolver.

The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!

The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.

Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!

The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.

I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.

In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:23 PM
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I mostly handgun hunt,I use myBFR 45/70 tho most. I hunt mostly heavy brush. It's accurate to 150 yards+.
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:31 PM
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What Biscuit Jake says is correct, as far as it goes. The .45/70 was adopted as the Army service rifle cartridge in 1873 for use in the Trapdoor Springfieldl,the same year as the Army adopted the .45 Colt in the Single Action Army revolver.

The .45/70 replaced the .50/70 as the governement's rifle cartridge. Alot of the troops said a .45 caliber was "too light for use against hostile Indians". Probably the same guys who earlier had complained that the .50 was too much of a reduction in caliber from the .58 used previously!

The original loadings used black powder, of course, and swaged lead bullets. The "infantry load" consisted of a 500-grain bullet and 70 grains of Fg or musket-grade black powder. MV of this load was around 1250 FPS from the long-barreled infantry rifle. The "Cavalry carbine" load used 55 grains of the same powder, and a 405-grain bullet at close to 1300 FPS.

Later on, when smokeless powders came along, smokeless equivalents of theservice rifle loads were developed, and for stronger rifles like the Model 1885 and 1886 Winchesters, a High Velocity load was marketed that fired a 405-grain bullet at around 1800 FPS. You can duplicate this load today with 53 grains of IMR 3031 powder and the jacketed 405 grain bullets made by Remington or Winchester. However, such loads should never be used in any rifles except newly-manufactured Winchester-Browning M1886's, Winchester single-shots, Ruger No. 1's,or other rifles of equal strength!

The .45/70 is extremely versatile in that one can load ammo for it from pure lead round balls at subsonic velocities for plinking use, all the way up to loads using very heavy bullets suitable for killing game like Cape Buffalo.

I have developed a load for my Ruger No. 1 that fires a 400-grain Barnes Original semispitzer (b.c. .389)at 2270 FPS (measured 10' from the muzzle) for an initial energy level of 4,600 ft/lb. This load groups into 1.25" for three shots at 100 yards, and shoots flatter than a .30/30 Win., so it is good on large game out to at least 250 yards, where it still delivers 2300 foot-pounds. I would not hesitate to use this load on the largest bear in North America.

In short, you can load a .45/70 to doanything you could do with a .30/'06, and then some!
You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
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Old 01-21-2007, 12:57 PM
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i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:02 PM
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i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
You should be able to find a good used H&R, for under $200.00
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:06 PM
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i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
You should be able to find a good used H&R, for under $200.00


wow that would be good, but sounds like you could get 4 boxes of ammo for 200 too . is this an exclusive iron site gun or is a scope a better play?

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Old 01-21-2007, 01:10 PM
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i really want one, this is gonna be my next gun for sure.........id love to find a used one tho
You should be able to find a good used H&R, for under $200.00


wow that would be good, but sounds like you could get 4 boxes of ammo for 200 too . is this an exclusive iron site gun or is a scope a better play?
I just use mine as an open sight gun, because it is very quick handling. But you could always put a little scope on top, for hunting in brush.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:26 PM
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You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
With buffalo bore only pushing their 405 @ 2000 it does seem like a stretch. BUT Eldeguello knows his stuff. The ruger No. 1 is an extremely strong action. To say he didn't do it is kinda arrogant, and very rude. Why not just ask him how he did it instead?

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Old 01-21-2007, 01:45 PM
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You did not get a 400 Gr bullet in the 45-70, to go 2270 fps, you didn't have your chrono out far enough, it sounds like. But, you didn't get that sucker going 2270 fps.
With buffalo bore only pushing their 405 @ 2000 it does seem like a stretch. BUT Eldeguello knows his stuff. The ruger No. 1 is an extremely strong action. To say he didn't do it is kinda arrogant, and very rude. Why not just ask him how he did it instead?
Very Hot load, but I'm sure he did it. I've pushed the limits from time to timemyself.
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