.204 Rifle
 

Anyone like their .204? I am looking into purchasing a small caliber rifle other than a .22 I know the .22 is cheap and durable, but I wan't some more distance and different caliber. I also could look into a .17 I suppose, but I am pushing towards a .204 for some reason. I would like some input and maybe if anyone has anyone they have up for sale?
Thnaks in advance, BH14

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OH SMALL CALIBERS!

Beware its a forbidden love on this site. Magnumitis is running rampant!
But, (in hushed tones) if a small caliber triste is what you desire, I may have just the lady for you. Big green (Remington) is supposed to be introducing a new caliber in '07. Though it is hardly new to those of us long stricken small bore lovers. The 17 Remington Fireball is a real darling. Its the legitimate version of the 17 Mach IV that varminters have drooled over for years. Its a 221 necked down to 17 cal with an improved shoulder. It provides Benchrest accuracy and really splatters varmints. Look into it. Be warned though, a taste is free but once you're addicted It will really cost you!

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.220 and .22-250 are more common and better performers than the .204.

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In the laws of Michgan, it says a .22 caliber or smaller can be used for predators. Would a .22-250 be eligible for this or too big?

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BORING!

22-250, 220 Swift, 223 rem, 221, 222, 222 rem mag, 218 bee, 22 hornet, etc. all shoot 22 cal bullets so they would all be "legal". check out the 17 Rem FB, or the 204 is a nice weapon as well.

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Find a remington 700 classic that was chambered for 221 fireball. I'm not sure what year they made that one. Or maybe an XP-100 in 221. Haven't handloaded for my XP-100 yet but I took it to the range one very windy day and was getting 1"-11/4" five shot groups at 100yds with rem factory loads. Pretty good for a handgun.

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I have a 204, and love it. I kinda wish I got the 22-250 instead but I can always get one of those too. I got the 204, because I want to see if the hype is true that it will have better barrel life than a 22-250, more like the 223. Well see. Also, with the 204, I shoot a 32gr bullet with a better bullistic coef than a 50gr 22 bullet. So when I hear people say a 22-250 will perform better, not sure where they get thier information.

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Ok I guess I have to spell it out for you like everything else.

.204

36 grains, 3640 fps, 1154 ft/lbs, BC: .267

Trajectory with 200 yard zero

300: -5.0 400: -15.1 500: -31.8

.22-250

55 grains, 3680 fps, 1654 ft/lbs BC: .257

Trajectory with 200 yard zero

300:-5.0 400: -15.4 500: -32.8


Go head and let me know when you figure out why you'd want a .204.




*Data from the Federal catalog*

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I'm leaning towards the .17. I got some info on the, the ammo seems reasonable, and the price of the guns are decent. Still a rimfire as well.

I learned for the law in Michigan, it has to be a rimfire, so that answers my question.

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Federal? Who shoots federal ammo. Man we roll our own around here. This is the guns forum.

Well, I have a 204 encore with a 26" barrel that kicks out a 32gr V-maxbullet at 4150fps and seen some that does it up to 4300fps with less than 29gr of powder. That has the same BC as a 22-250 40gr. You do the math. The best I ever seen anyone put a 22-250 40gr bullet is 4000fps and that took 12 more grains powder.

See there's a huge difference between you and I. I actually shoot and own these rifles. You keep reading about what we are shooting and believing factory ammo box's. So again spell it out forme? Even your own data shows a larger drop. You can't just go thru the internet and pick and choose the data that suits your arguments. You actually have to go out and shoot guns.

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I shoot Federals.:D

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You shoot federals 204?

Here b attack, you love internet data. I don't always buy it but I know its your source of all info. Go here and show where the 22-250 is flatter.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/comparative_ballistics_results.aspx?data=PRA204A*P RA204B*PRA2250RB

Or go to Hornady's webpage and show me where? I don't need to go to federals page, you already showed that the 204 can outperform the 22-250.

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No, I dont shoot Fed. 204's, silly goose, but, I do shoot Federal ammo.:D

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Based on most of your posts I believe you trust me.

I couldn't pick and choose. There is only one load for the .204 in the catalog! Yeah it's a winner alright.

Any reloader will be able to get better performance out of any cartridge. I'm comparing apples to apples, the factory tests are in SAAMI chambers with the same length barrels. Reloaders can't test for less variables than that it's an even a field as it gets when comparing two cartridges.

If you consider a 0.3 inchgreater drop at 400 yards and a 1.0 inch greater drop at 500 yards to be anything substantial then you are smoking crack. Remember that is with a 55 gr. bullet!! Not 39 gr. Good Lord I would hope a .204 can push a 16 gr. lighter bullet at least a tiny bit flatter!

When a .22-250 can push a 16 gr. heavier bullet as fast or faster than the .204 can push a 39 gr.then...um....if you don't see that you're retarded.

Yes I know in your infinite wisdom you've owned and shot all guns, you're older than me, you're more experienced blah blah blah.

I guess the only people that are able to formulate an intelligent opinion are those that have the guns in hand.That doesn't say much about your intellect does it? ;) I guess if you haven't seen it then it can't possibly be true...

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I don't remember saying that the .22-250 shot flatter but for the sake of argument I'll play along.

Um...the Remington bullets have a lower BC. Would you expect them to shoot flatter than the Federal? This proves what? That all .22-250 loads aren't created equal?

*GASP* we have a MENSA applicant here!

OK I went to Hornady's page. They are less than 0.3 inches apart @ 400 yards with 40 gr. bullets.

Was that supposed to prove something or did you just want me to go there?

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Brutal, like I said before, I'll be in Denver, you pick the place.

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Um.....ok. Because I plan on driving down there to satisfy the grudge of some chubby poster from an internet forum.

I think that may also be illegal in several states LOL!

You aren't kiddin' when you say "big" are you? lol [8D]Whooee I've seen500 lb sowswith less impressive jowls.

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Thats tough talk, from a guy who gets his ballistics off of the internet. And BUYS FACTORY AMMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mossy, you pretty funny guy. Yea, I know its you. All the signatures of a classic mossy prank.

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Again, lack of experience on your part. The 204 along along with the other newer Hornady rounds like 460Smith, handloaders has not been able to come within 100fps of thier loaded ammo. They are using alot of blends which we can't match. Yes, it used to be the case that a handlaoder could exceed in most circumstances, but there are exceptions. The factory 204 has been documented at kicking from 4200fps to 4300fps. I cannot get that with my own ammo. Listen man, I never was stupid enough to say something without actually shooting or owning these guns. You said outperform. When shooting groundhogs or prair dogs, 32gr or 39gr will easily get the job done, you are looking for flattness, and I was looking for barrel life and flattness.

You know one can read data some and formulate an idea, not a fact, but its seems you do quite a bit of it. In fact its 90% of your posts. Others on here read and listen, and thats fine. Whensomeone gets up into African big game guns, you don't see me get on here spouting off internet crap I read. I have very little experience with them. So I keep my mouth shut. As you should too. When someone gets on the page to talk about Alaskian hunting, you don't hear me make a peep. Idon't have the experience.Somebody comes on the reloading forum and asks about bullet casting or shotshell reloading, I don't reply, cause I have very littleexperience in those areas.Experience is lives best lesson. If you don't have experience at it, keep your mouth shut. Its that easy.

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People, people, do as I do ignore brutal. He's not worth your time. What good does it do to argue whether a 250 is or isn't better than a 204. its pointless, and brutal will never admit that he's wrong even when you prove him wrong.

The 204 is a nice piece. The 22-250 is a nice piece. They both splatter Prairie Dogs like crazy. I don't like a 250 in a dog town because it heats up too quickly. The 204 heat rapidly as well but not as rapidly as the 250. I've killed many many coyotes with a 250 and it really is my fav. coyote rifle. I made my longest shot on a ground hog with the 204 at 578 yards. So quit arguing with an idiot.

OBTW the 204 isn't even my favorite 20 cal. I much prefer the 20 VT , or 20 Tactical. Now 17's I like the 17 Mach IV (not Mach II which is rimfire)

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1. I could care less which one is "better". With cartridges it's usually splitting hairs. I'm not about to sit here and watch some keyboard cowboy spout off crap that obviously isn't true.

2. Oh well since you made your longest shot with a .204 then it must be "better"? Yeah nice logic there. And you have the nerve to call me an idiot. One thing you guys can't seem to learn is to not strawman every argument and to not resort to personal attacks when you're argument fails. Someone needs some lessons in argumentative logic.

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I guess you have a learning disability. This really isn't that hard. I'll try again to make it easy for you.

A .22-250 pushes a 55 gr. bullet with a lower BC faster than and nearly as flat asa .204 pushes a 39 gr. bullet!

What does that tell you? Why is this so hard? Take that sentence and refute it with factory numbers. Those are the two Federal loads. Refute that statement with some logic instead of personal attacks. I know this is hard for you but try.

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Brutal,

You are an idiot, plain and simple. You treat everyone else as though they are some how lesser than you. Half the damn time you don't even know what you're talking about, other than you can look up some numbers on the computer. Maybe, you own a 22-250 so you want to justify your decision by saying its the best. That way you can be "right" in your little world. I wasn't saying that the 204 is better because I made my longest shot with it.I'm not even a fan of the 204. I prefer the 250 to the 204. But, that doesn't make the 250 superior or inferior. I really can't differintiate between the two in real world shooting. I say that its splitting hairs.

I like shooting/owning several small caliber centerfires.Have you ever even shot a 204? Do you have any real world experience to share with either of these cartridges? No, the only thing you can ever do is post some damn link to factory ammo. Give me a break.Anyone, who is truely knowledgeable about these cartridges will tell you thatbothhave there positives and negatives. Everybody has there personal preference, but that doesn't make the next guys preference wrong.

You are the one who is always argumenative. You are the one who turns every thread that you post on into an argument. The only ones that don't are the ones that everybody ignores your ignorant ass! You have a glory complex or something. You think that you are so smart and everybody should just take your word as sacred.

I seem to remember just a few lines back that you turned it into a personal attack. Or do you call comparing someone to 500 lb hogs not personal. Damn Internet Genius thats what you are.

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Cause, I could care less about federal shells. I don't shoot federal shells. I don't know anyone with ether a 22-250 or 220 swift or a 204 that shoots fed shells. The feds seem to be the slowest worst performance of the 204 bunch. If anything I would shoot the hornady shells. See again, you have no experience, but shooting off your mouth.

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I didn't mean to start this fellas.

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Ah don't worry about it. I should have known better than to argue with a kid. Hope you got the answers you wanted. If you want any info on the 204 like loads and all, I have just started really. I love both 204 and the superfast 22 counterparts. In fact, I love all rifles. But too many people I know have burnt the barrels out of thier 22-250, and I wanted a little longer life. I was considering having my gunsmith build me a 22-243 middlestead. But I think his personal one he build, the barrel lasted him one season of chuck shooting and one trip to dog town. He's a gunsmith, he could care less about that.

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Of course you could care less because Federal's numbers are making you look stupid.

So your answer is: "Federal sucks."

Well good job. You sure showed me. Now I see why you are sooo wise and knowledgable when it comes to guns and loads.

Pathetic. [>:]

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Brutal, I don't know anybody who belongs to this forum, that wants to hear you ruin anymore threads, give it up, man, get a life.

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No thats not my answer at all. That shows you how unknowledgable you are about anything. Just federals are the slowest worst performers of the bunch. Its really that simple. Second, there is many more loadings that just federal. Hornady, and remington are the most common with people.

When you get a little older and actually shoot more than one gun, come back, and talk to us.

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Yeah, Brutal, you are nothing but a punk.

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Brutal, you should stick to what you are good at. I'm thinking playing with yourself in your parents basement would be one of the things you're good at. Back away from the computer once in a while and get out and experience the real world. Get some fresh air, get a tan, hell get a girl friend. Or better yet , just go away. I just hope you're not the kind of person who has a weird love of guns and likes to see his name in the news!!!!!

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Terry, I have a suggestion for you, go back to living in your second hand country, and leave us alone.

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So what’s this with second hand country and who elected YOU as spokes man...?

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Fellas, I don't understand why we all need to fight. Sure we disagree with some opinions, and I value all your input. Thanks again.

RE: .204 Rifle
 

Take a hard look at the Volquartsen. I own lots of guns and this one is the most fun by far. Deadly accurate (unless the wind is blowing), absolutely no kick, cheap to shoot, and has never jammed.

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I see you have about as much intellect as your buddy Brutal. Sorry if I described you also in the post :D
And "second hand country" ? And "leave us alone" ? I have travelled far too many times in the USA and have far too many friends down there ( many of whom hunt up here annually ) to take anything you say as anywhere near credible or representive of your country. You might want to travel a bit someday and learn how the rest of the planet looks and behaves. That is if you can get time off from your job of mowing the lawn and picking up litter at the rifle range.

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Terry, I apologize for what i said, I didn't mean it in the least bit, I have been to Canada before, beautiful place, and I was treated with the upmost respect while visiting, Terry, I hope that we can just forget about this, and continue to make good posts.

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Apology accepted. Let's all move on and discuss stuff we have in common. Cheers !

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Sounds good to me, Terry!!