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Has anyone ever hunted with the Russian made Mosin Nagant? I took a Nagant to the gun range along with a 30-06, .308, and a .270 I used all FMJ rounds, and the Russian Nagant had BY FAR the greatest penetration. I shot a peice of .5 inch buss steel from an electric generator. It is pretty much the finest grade of steel in the industry. The Nagant ( 7.62 x 54) cut a hole in the steel while caving it in as well. The 30-06, and the .270 made dents in the steel. The .308 made a caved in crack that you could see through. If anyone has shot this rifle...you know how bad the recoil is...not to mention the 2.5 foot fireball that comes out with it. Does anyone here have an opinion on this rifle. I have two of them now, and have been matching them up with any other rifles I can get my hands on. So far, the Nagant has been the biggest A$$ kicker I can find........Oh and I have a 45-70!

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What type of bullets were you using in the other rifles? Also FMJ?

Tom

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My first rifle was an 1891/30, but I never hunted with it. The 7.62x54R is roughly equivalent to the .308, so there's plenty enough power for deer, but not an obnoxious amount. I've seen 198-205 gr. soft points on the market, so you certainly have the potential to makea clean kill with one with good placement.

I remember shooting the 200 gr. SP's through 1/4" steel plate, but then again, I shot .223 SP's through the same plate before.

I'm not a big fan of the stock, as it was a little small for me, and the iron sights leave a little to be desired as well. But, if you can shoot it straight usinghunting ammo, I say go for it.

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Yea, all of the rounds i used in the other guns were FMJ...I also have some steel bullets in 7.62x54. those things are so NASTY!

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Yes, I agree with you about the stock, and the sites. The hooded front site app. makes it quick to get a snap shot though.

Still the 30-06 is my favorite rifle round ever.

The M1 Garand is the greatest service rifle EVER invented! Opinions?

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Now you're speaking my language... ;)

I want to agree with you, but I have to give the M14/M1A credit where it's due. If I were in combat nowadays, I'd want the shorter action and removable mags if I had the choice.

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Oh, I would prob choose a different service rifle nowadays. War is a little less conventional than it used to be. Your right again M14 is one excellent weapon. Opional full auto and detatchable mags. My father purchased some M1s from CMP, and they are so much fun to shoot. We also got some military grade 30-06 from CMP, and it is SO accurate! However, I dont care much for the .30 carbine...a pop gun, but designed for paratroopers and such...I think?

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Hey, Aught 6, ever owned a winchester Garand? So rare! My dad bought a Winchester receiver for a a$$ load.

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Lol, almost forgot about the selective fire on the M14 (I go for precision vs. firepower).

Yeah, Garands are loads of fun, no doubt about that. I like the carbine as well, but it's a plinker/home defense weaponas far as I'm concerned. I supposed I could use it on deer within 100 yards, but I don't see the point, and the accuracy isn't that great.

A lot of people take it for granted that the carbine with a standard issue airborne infantry rifle, but most paratroopers carried Garands like most everyone else on the front lines. The carbine was used more as a backup type weapon for supportpersonnel (the guys behind thethe front lines, like truck drivers, maintenance crews, etc.) and noncoms,artillerymen, and armored personnel.

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That explains the 30 carbine then. My Grandfather was in the NAVY during WWII, and was a communications personal. He tells me stories about the Guadal Canal (spelling) invasion, and killing Japanese soldiers with a carbine, so I guess I should give it some credit...It earned its place. The only one I have ever shot was the one he brought back from the war.

I will always stand by the Garand though

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i have to disagree Cervid.. The AK-47 is the best service rifle ever made. HAHA!!

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Yea, go back to Afganistan...or was it Iraq...or was it Iran?

Freakin Hack! LOL

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http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm

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Good one, Bri.;)

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Thats AWESOME

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I have owned several and love shooting them. With iron sights I have shot 1 gal. water jugs out to 260 yards. There a somefactory loads that are soft points for hunting. My dad has shot several deer with one we sporterized a scoped up. Works great on deer. I believe over in Russia they use them frequently on moose and brown bear and get the job done. I really like the price tags to. It would be nice to find an original sniper rifle.

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I have seen some of the long barrel models at gun shows, and ther are alot more expensive...especially if they have the tap and mounts, and a "scope" bolt handle. I shot AT a doe with it about a month ago. I tracked around for an hour, but pretty sure I missed. She was a good 75yds and I was going for the neck shot.

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I've got 5 Mosins in my safe at this time ,I've owned 30 or so since my first one ,back in 1983 ,then ammo was scarce and guns where plentiful ,now you can find some in Like New condition ,I've hunted andkilled one smallish Buck with a M38 its like a 44 carbine but no bayonet or lug,I was using 180gr. soft point. And I shot a wild dog (was running with a pack of coyotes ,chaseing deer,It it the ballistic twin to a 308 win. but I 've seen some old FMJ I don't no wgt of bullet I've seen 145 gr. to 215 gr. before ,it was chorny'ed close to 3000fps.

The 38's seem to kick awfully hard ,ther somewhat light wgt. 20in barrel ,no bayonet, and the stock is not shooter friendly and doesn't distribute the recoil one bit.
I've had sportized with synthtic stocks & scopes ,some super shooters ..

I have a Finnish Mosin with a Belgium barrel that is in great condition that ,is a real accurate rifle , recoil is minamal due to its heft...
I would not hesitate to take on any North American game ( save the Greater Bears) with the rifle and good 180 gr. soft points....

Speaking of big Bears about 6 miles from my house , a 550 lbs. plus Black Bear was taken 3 days ago, but not after it killed one dog and badly injuring another.. taken by a Marlin in 45/70

Buckeye

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I try not to buy stuff I'd be afraid to take to the range on a regular basis.

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Yep, my grandpa qualified for it and the 1911 in the Army Air Corp. I really don't have any numbers to back it up, but I would assume the carbine saw more action in the Pacific than in Europe.

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ROTFL!!!

I sold my Mosin a couple years ago and miss it somuch...

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This is a nice 38,sporterized....

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Heres a Pic. of my Mosins....

I'm been thinking of a Mosin 38 ,in a scout set up.

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Ballistically, the .30/'06 beats the 7.62X54R round, but not by much! The results you obtained were because the bullet in the Nagant round was tougher. If you used an M2 Ball AP bullet in the '06, it will go through anything the 7.62X54R will penetrate.

The reason why the Nagant kicks so noticeably is that the stock has such an atrocious shape! But those Nagants are accurate and tough-just what a Russian peasant soldier needed. Simple to operate, and he had a hard time breaking it!

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So the Mosin Nagant kicks alot? What do they cost?

I've been interested inthe M-1 Garand, how much do they cost? One gun instructor said that he got his from the government for $90!

I thought that soldiers had to give their weapons back to theArmy after the war was over. Howdid they succeedto bring them home?
I knew that they could bring home Lugers, etc. back.
Too bad they couldn't bringback a Browning Automatic Rifle!:D

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They don't kick that bad and they cost anywhere from $50-150 for common standard Russian models.

Director of Civillian Marksmanship (DCM) used to sell M1s for around $100, the stipulation was that you were only allowed to buy 1 M1 rifle during your lifetime from them. They also sold M1 carbines and 1911 pistols. The Democratic congress in the 1980s tried to shut down the DCM, and they ended up rechartering as the CMP (Civillian Marksmanship program) and were only allowed to sell rifles such as the M1, 1903 springfields and .22 rifles. M1s typically cost $300-550 from this organization, but they are nearly out of them right now as the buyinglimit has been changed from 1x per lifetime to 8x per year. I bought a nearly new M1 from them a couple of years ago for $400.

If I'm not mistaken, they were allowed to purchase their rifles and possibly handguns. Stuff that got home was either "found" on the battlefield, or their own equipment accidentally "lost" then smuggled home. My grandfather had his Colt service revolver that he carried in the Army Air Corps. There are probably thousands of submachine guns mostly M3 grease guns along with countless live grenades and artillery shells sitting in closets and attics across the country.

Too big to sneak anywhere. Even K98s that were smuggled home often times had 6" of the stock cut off so that they fit in their duffel bag.

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What is is the recoil IYO(in your opinion) compare to the30-06?

Thanks for your post, it was really informative.

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LOL!!!! That's so funny!

BTW, what does "ROTFL" stand for?

True or False... the next person is going to laugh at me for not realizing something.

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If it is an M44 or M38 carbine, they hurt - they boot you pretty hard, and the steep buttplate doesn't make it any easier. Also, they've ferocious muzzle blast & loud.

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A few things I've read and my dad also told me many years ago. The difference in penetration of those bullets were most surely due to bullet construction. The Nagant was likely steel core and the others lead core, big difference! The term full metal jacket only means the bullet is completely covered with a jacket material likely guilding metal, not steel. A 30-06 with a 165 gr soft point bullet will penetrate 1\2" of mild steel plate with no problem. The TV showes like The A-Team and such bull crap where they always used 55 gal metal drums to armor plate their vehicles was a joke as a .22 rim fire will put holes all thru one of those things. And the last of my rambelings is to do with the .30 carbine, it was introduced to replace the 1911 colt as it was much easier to train large numbers of personnel with than the side arm. I do not mean as a complete replacement but for certain catigorys of troopes it was more sutiable than a full blown battle rifle and also more effictive than a handgun.

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So, what are the different kinds of Mosin Nagants? Does anybody have a link?

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They seem roughly the same from the bench. If I put a Monte Carlo stock on a Mosin with more length of pull than the issue stock, recoilwould probably be a little less noticeable, but not tremendously so.

If you took one hunting, I doubt you'd notice the recoil or report as much.

Rolling On The Floor Laughing ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin-Nagant

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl03-e.htm

The most common models are the M1891/30, the M38, and the M44. The last two are shortened versions of the original, the M44 having an attached folding bayonet. There are several other variations, though, mostly Russians and Finns.

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I looked at Wikipedia, and the links on Wikipedia showed that the CCCP used lots of women snipers. I think that's pretty crazy, but it worked!

I think the Yugoslavs in WWI used women as regular infantry soldiers.

Nice that that kind of gun can be bought for only $75.00 in working condition!

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That's right, communist doctrine typicallyrecognizeslittledifference between men and women--life is cheap to the Reds, so all people can and should be exploited equally.

Besides the famed female snipers, there were also a group of famous Soviet women pilots (Night Witches) who flew against the Luftwaffe during night time bombing raids.

Don't know much about Yugoslavia in WWI, but I'll check that out.

Check out AIM Surplus for Mosins and other milsurp firearms. I paid $130 for mine back in 2001, but prices have taken a dive since then. Most of those Mosins have been refurbished at thearsenal before being imported and sold here, so you're getting what is essentially an NRA rated 'excellent' rifle.

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Just as long as you aren't asked to engage a point target with it......

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The days of $90.00 M1's arelong past! It has been possible to buy them from the government over the years, off and on. Now they can be bought from the CMP - Civilian Marksmanship Program - as mentioned previously.

As a rule,when a soldier changed units, or was discharged, he had to turn in any public property that had been issued to him at that unit - this included firearms, of course. Any M1 (or any other U.S. weapon) that a GI managed to get home with was basically STOLEN! As a matter of fact, even today, you cannot legally possess any U.S. firearm that is stamped "U.S. Property", unless you have a legally executed bill of sale for it, showing that it was sold by the Government..... This law, however, is not generally enforced if the weapons are of an obsolete pattern.

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Unless, of course, it's a Tompson Submachine gun? I think that would be pretty serious no matter how old it gets.