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Old 11-24-2006 | 01:14 AM
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To make sure that your response isn't left alone, so someone could come and say, "sure is quiet in here", I have to agree with you, Todd, no game animal is alike, he may run 40 yards or drop in his tracks. The name of the game is tissue destruction, none the less.
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Old 11-24-2006 | 01:16 AM
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And even though the hydrostatic mumbo jumbo may be false, a bullet can still tear up some jack on the insides of an animal.
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Old 11-24-2006 | 07:43 AM
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The reason a bullet doesn't plow over a deer is the fact that that energy is transfered over time and in all directions. Not instantly and not in a single foward direction.

It's real easy to see how the two kill. shoot two milk jugs filled with water or shoot two water mellons.

Hydrostatic shock is a real phenomenon that happens any time a fast moving object strikes something made up of mostly water such as an animals body. If it didn't happen the bullet would simply punch a hole the same size of itself and do very little damage to the internal organs of the animal.


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Old 11-24-2006 | 08:21 AM
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BB I was thinking of the same illustration! Shoot an empty milk jug and you have two holes. Shoot a jug filled with water, and you have a ripped apart jug!
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Old 11-24-2006 | 08:41 AM
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I think that there is a big misconception over hydrostatic shock here. I think it is the same as the misconception of "knockdown power". As said, the hydrostatic shock of an expanding bullet, is distributed over time. That is why unless you hit major bone, you are not usually going to "knock" anything down!
Also, if hydrostatic shock were as some people mistakenly believe that we are talking about, it wouldn't matter where you hit the animal in the body, the shock wave would take care of a poor shot and KO the animal!
That is not true, and that is not what the believers of hydro-shock are talking about! H-shock does do a lot of damage in the surrounding area, whether the bullet exits or not, and this leads to quicker blood loss and death!
Lastly back to the original thread, if you are disappointed in a good double lung, blood trail and 15 yard tracking jobs, you are in for a lot of disappointment!
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Old 11-24-2006 | 10:01 AM
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You guys are both right, I did't mean what i said earlier, I am with you bigbulls.
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Old 11-24-2006 | 11:46 PM
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my reason for concern was the fact that the round did not punch through on a 130 lb boar, what if it would have been a 250 lb boar? my guess is that I would have lost it.
You have good reason to be concerned. I would too. I had the same problem deer hunting this year. I was also disappointed in my 140 gr. Accubond bullet. Taking a quartering shot at a deer at 136 yards with my 7 mm-08 and not having a clean pass thru didn’t impress me at all and no blood trail...
Trailer I am suprised by this as well. I have used the accubond in 160gr from my 7mm rem mag on deer, elk and moose and received pass thrus/excellenmt performance. Although I never hit any bone and was always suspect about this on the larger game so I have now gone with the TSX for elk and moose. Curious, was it a 1/4 to or away? What was wound channel like? Did you recover the Ab or pieces?

I have shot many deer sized animals with NBT and most have exited, even when the opposite shoulder is hit on 1/4 away. I really don't care if the bullet doesn't exit as long as it makes soup of the vitals and any animal that goes down within 50 yards is a pretty good result to me. Though have no clue how hogs are built. I suggest trying the Nosler Partition in your 270wsm.
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Old 11-25-2006 | 03:15 AM
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Here's another situation I see on TV and in the field. I think that animals on alert....meaning stopping the animal before you shoot them as apposed to the animals feeding and the hunter shoots without notice, are usually the death dashers. Regardless if the bullet exits or not...those animals seem to always run. I think if you suprise them with a shoulder shot...they drop. As always the neck, head and spine shots 99% of the time they drop. I read the articles posted earlier and I can see the point in them. Somewhat scientific for most people, but I see the point. Anywho, it could go either way. I just like the exit wound because some animals are capable of LOOOOONG death dashes and with a small entrance wound and no exit wound, a long tracking job could be difficult.
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Old 11-25-2006 | 04:44 AM
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Curious, was it a 1/4 to or away? What was wound channel like? Did you recover the Ab or pieces?
Skeeter, when I came across this buck he was facing me and with a little time turned so it was 1/4 to. He had no idea were I was when I pulled the trigger and trotted off along the edge of the bush after the shot. I just waited patiently until he dropped. Learnt this a long time ago not to rush in pursuit of the game after the shot. I went to the area where he was standing when I pulled the trigger and was surprised I couldn’t fin any blood. We had no snow so the tracking would have been a challenge but I was able to see him from the time he dropped.

After gutting him I examined the results of the of the shot. I had partially hit his liver and one lung. I had also clipped his stomach but the damage was minimal. Looking at the entrance wound, it was very small and I had also just clipped one rib with no exit wound. Although I tried, I couldn’t find the bullet or any part of it. This is my second season with the 140 gr. Accubonds for my 270 WSM and 7 mm-08. I’m heading out this morning and will see if I get better results if I have the chance but I may consider TSX for next season...
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Old 11-25-2006 | 08:00 AM
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A "partially clipped stomach" could very well be the key to no exit wound! Mashed corn, acorns, and whatever else, makes an excellent bullet stopper!
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