It has become quite common lately for both company's and even certain individuals on this forum to use deception in their ballistic comparisons between cartridges.They quote max loads in long barrels for the cartridges they favor or want to promote but use very mild loads or short barrel velocities to make their product or favorite cartridge to appear superior to other cartridges or in some cases equal to other cartridges that actually offer superior ballistics.In order to properly compare cartridges you must load both to equivalent pressures(or maximun design pressure for each cartridge) and use barrels of equal length.If you are reading these comparisons try to determine what loads and barrel lengths are being used before believing them.In any case increased case capacity will almost always result in a higher velocity potential for the same caliber or calibers that are very close.Don't be fooled by browning and winchester when they state that the wsm's will develop more velocity than the standard length magnums.Don't believe it when someone tries to convince you that the 270win is the ballistic equal to the 7mm rem mag or that the 30-06 is the ballistic equivalent to the 300 win mag.In all cases when loaded to equal pressures and fired out of equal barrels the 270 and 30-06 can't match the 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag and the differences are significant reguardless of what some individuals may tell you.

Edited by - stubblejumper on 11/13/2002 14:04:55

as well as felt recoil!

Hurry up and wait.

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Thats it dcan now you gone and hurt my feelings.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - halcon on 11/13/2002 18:58:17

Preach on brother stubblejumper, preach on. Bring the light to the huddled masses shrouded in the darkness of the advertising agencies.

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Stubblejumper, you are a man of infinit wisdom.

Too bad you weren't at the range when I sighted in my moose gun this year. Sure 3inches above center on a 100 yards is great, but when you blink one at less than 50 yards equals too high a shot, hense no moose. Its a long and aggravating story.

Keep up the honest preaching!

340

340, did you miss your moose this year too? Don't feel too bad, I missed a nice bull 7 times at 350 yards in Newfoundland this year myself. Scope of knocked off severely on a fall down the mountain. Fortunately, I went the last day and knocked down a cow. Oh well, next year. Happens to the best of us.

I agree about setting up your scope us for too long range. I like to set mine up where the max rise up to the zero point is not over 3&quot;. Which with about the fastest magnum, is 250 yards. But when I got up there, some of these guides where expecting me to take 550yard shots just because I had an ultra mag!! Thats a 39&quot; drop with my load sighted in at 250yards and with their horid wind, a possible wind drift of over 2ft. Time to find a new guide.

Totally agree SJ. Thats why I only trust my chrono. I rarely match the numbers in alot of the mauels. Hodgedons is about the only ones I do match.


Edited by - bigcountry on 11/14/2002 10:16:16

Edited by - bigcountry on 11/14/2002 10:18:42

Yes and brother Stubblejumper being a man of infinite wisdom owning both standard mags(300 win ) and short mags(300wms) is a more than qualified person to even discuss this matter having read outdoor life and field and stream and probably shooting times .

&quot;Wrestle with a Pig and the Pig enjoys it and you end up covered with slop&quot;

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