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Diggerr 08-31-2006 07:43 PM

RE: M1911 in military service
 
I've heard the 1911 is being used by some army units, and the Marines are digging them out of moth balls due to knock down power

ranger140892 09-01-2006 05:29 AM

RE: M1911 in military service
 
Always the ego thing. 8 or 9 rounds on 8 or 9 targetsis good for a good shooter. What if you have 12 or20 targets,a shattered arm, limited vision from blood in your eyes, severe dehydration and shock??? Would you want more mag capacity then?
As far as the trigger goes, any good Soldier or Marine knows his weapon systems well and has spent hours dry firing and live firing his weapons and has no problem with any of the triggers.

ORIGINAL: USMC PMI


It really doesn't matter what the military uses as the "standard" sidearm. They're rarely used anyway.
Very true, handguns are defensive weapons. They always told us if it came down to using a sidearm we were in deep $***! Use the sidearm to fight your way back to an offensive weapon.

I also own several other types of pistols other than the 1911 but have a hard time getting past the generally nasty DA triggers, even tuned DA triggers are not great IMO as campaired to a nice SA trigger. The ammount of rounds really doesn't matter to me, if I can't hit them in 8 - 9 shots I'm more than likely screwed anyway and if there are more than 8 - 9 attackers I'm in the same boat. [:@]

eldeguello 09-01-2006 09:04 AM

RE: M1911 in military service
 
" but I CANNOT see even one reason why we took the M1911 out of service and now we're usin some whimpy 9mm round, whats up with that? "

Politics, me boy, politics! WE (U.S.) forced NATO to adopt our new service rifle round, the 7.62X51 NATO. And just about the time all our "allies" had finished re-equipping their troops with 7.62X51mm NATO-caliber rifles and MG's, we turned around and insisted once again that they adopt our "even newer and better" 5.56X45mm Mousegun cartridge.

This was all in the name of "standardization", so we can use ammo from other NATO nations, and vice-versa. So, when a majority of the old M1911A1's needed replacement, the other NATO nations told us (all of which were using 9mm handguns) "we adopted your rifle cartridge TWICE! It's time for you to adopt the handgun round everyone is using EXCEPT YOU."

So, because the geniuses who run things in Washington all regarded the pistol as merely a badge of office anyway, they agreed. So, now the troops have to try to survive using an inadequate cartridge in their pistols.

Hopefully, we are beginning to realize that this was a mistake, and will go back to the .45 ACP soon, as a result of our recent experiences in Afghanistan & Iraq....

SHoNUFF 09-01-2006 06:03 PM

RE: M1911 in military service
 

When I started to think about my carry sidearm years back one of my mentors would always remind me ," do you plan on missing alot?" Truer words were never spoken
On this i agree. but we are talking about combat situations not the target range. when you start poping off rounds at combat speeds more=better. Unless your the sniper type which if you look at the ratio of sniper-v- all the rest of the military there are very few. I combat where i would hav eto engage multiple target multiple times if would rather have more ammo and better nerves. Either way neigther gun is worth a damn if you cant hit the target in the first place.

98Redline 09-02-2006 06:38 AM

RE: M1911 in military service
 
With the advent of the double stack 1911 variants (Caspian, ParaOrdnance, etc...) there really is not a compelling argument on the mag capacity thing.

You standard M9/ Beretta 92 holds 15+1, my ParaOrdnance P14-45 holds 15+1.

Heck, you can even get a 1911 with a hi-cap mag AND a DA trigger.

Seems to be a mute point.



eldeguello 09-02-2006 07:27 AM

RE: M1911 in military service
 

ORIGINAL: 98Redline

Heck, you can even get a 1911 with a hi-cap mag AND a DA trigger.
DA trigger - "Brilliant solution to a non-existent problem." Jeff Cooper

Amen!!


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