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Iwork with this guy back home. He came to me last season complaining about missing a buck. He asked what could be wrong as he couldn't hit any thing else either. I asked about his rifle. he said that when he bought the rifle, the gunshop owner bore sighted it for him. He never zeroed it. I explained that bore sighting was pretty much just get him on paper at 25yds. Then i explained what to do. He came in the next cussing my name. He had shot three boxes of ammo out of his 300 ultramag( Georgia deer). He had tried to go out to 100yds. and zero his gun instead of 25. Any of you guys ever deal with these kind of nuckle heads?

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Wow, I don't think there is much hope for him. As my grandpa used to say, if your goin to be stupid, you better be tough.

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No i don't think there is either. The saying makes since too. And just incase any body gets the wrong idea. I ment start at 25yds not zero for 25 yds.

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There is nothing wrong withstarting at 100 yards after a proper bore sighting.I have been doing this for over 20 years without a problem.I am always on the paper at 100 yardsafter I dothe bore sighting.

However that is foolishness.If you aren't on the paper at 100 yards,either use a bigger target or move closer.Wasting three boxes of ammunition and not being sighted in is certainly not very bright.

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Starting at 25 keeps me from making a 200yd round trip in bad mood.

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Then you need to find someone that actually knows how to boresight properly.:)

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Or buy the good arbors to boresight. I have a boresighter, thats basically useless with the clip, I have much better luck locking the gun down and looking thru the bore at the center of a target 100 yards away, moving the scope.

But with the good arbors that compress's in the barrel, they are not that bad. But even then they can't compensate for different height scopes. Some super low, some high.

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Bore sighting is a useful step if done properly. But you can't rely on it as your soul effort. And i never said you can't be succesful starting way out there. I have just always done it that way. Check it at 25, then move out.He never fired that rifle until he missed that deer. And the hard headed part come in after i told him how to do it. Then he proceded to ignore what told him. Then heblamed mewhen it didn't work.

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Wow that is areal hard head. I have one of the arbor bore sighters and it does put me on paper. I personally start at 25 or 50 yards becuase it is easier to see bullet impact and know I am on paper. After I get it zeroed at 50, then I move to 100 yards and tweak it. It works for me and now, as in most cases when I zero, I go to the range with 5 rounds, well more, but use 5 rounds or less, to verify the zero. Then I move to the next rifle and verify, etc, etc. During the season I may go once a week for 3-5 rounds just to make sure it is where it was suppose to be.........

but three boxes, definate hard head!

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Just five rounds?? I could never stop at just five. I always take what shot best last year along with all the new stuff or what i had never tried before. I am always looking for that slightly tighter group.

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I wonder how many years of life he took off that barrel? I would be sure somebody like that would just keep pulling the trigger......melting barrel be damned.

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The cheapest and most accurate boresighter in the world is a sharpy.haha.

Take a sharpy and make a 1/4 dot on a piece of paper, then make another 1/4 1 1/2 inch above the previous one.(depending on mounts base height 1 1/2 usually standard between barrel and center of scope). Then place your rifle 10 to 12ft away and clamp it down in a vise with the lower dot centered looking down the bore. (won't work in semi-auto's and you have to remove the bolt on bolt guns). Once you have the lower dot centered in the bore and the gun is locked solid adjust the scope to center the upper dot. And you just bore sighted your rifle cheap and more accurate than a gunsmith can do with expensive tools.

(Turn the scope down to lower magnafication)

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That guy probably couldn't hit the broad side of the barn even if his rifle was sighted in. I have to practice or I can't hit the broad side of the barn. That fella needs some one to go to the range and tell him exactly what to do. That is stupid to shoot 3 boxes and not ever hit paper. I usually try to shoot once every week or two, just 5 shots though. Keeps me where I need to be.

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Maybe you should have offered to go with him and help him out. It sounds as if he is a bit ignorant about shooting. Nothing wrong with being ignorant, it just means you need a little help.

It doesn't sound hard headed at all, just confused and in need of some guidance. He might not be the sharpest tool in the box, but I bet he is also pretty frustrated right now which doesn't help. I bet with some proper instruction he could come around.

He is probably shooting way too much gun as well. I bet he flinches like all get out when shooting. In my opinion who ever sold an inexperianced shooter that gun ripped him off.

Paul

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You could be write Paul. I think he is DEFINATLY over gunned. That field piece he is shooting, should be stuck on a carriadge and hauled by horses. I have sorta invited myself along on his next range session.

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Cheaper yes,but I would gladlymake a bet with anyone thatI could place my first shotcloser to the bullseye at 100 yards using my boresighter.I may not win every time,but I am sure that if I made the same bet toseveral people,I would be taking money home.

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Well I am glad you made the offer. I just hope he has the sense and patience to listen to what you tell him.

If you can take a different rifle for him to shoot, just to see if it helps any or so he can get a feel for what he needs to do with the bigger one. Unelss he already has one.

Something to help with recoil wouldn't be a bad idea either. Like a recoil pad or a gun rest that helps soak up recoil.

Let us know what happens after you help him out a little. If he is to macho to take your advice or try something different he may be screwed. At least you know you tried though.

Paul

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No thank you Stubble, I’ll just be an innocent buy stander with nothing to gain and nothing to lose , but I sure wouldn’t mind being there...:D

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I do understand where many people learn not to trust boresighters.Many people have a gun borseighted at a shop and the job is often not done properly.To be able to do a proper boresight,you must know your boresighter and have proper arbors.The grid in my own boresighter is not centered perfectly,but after using itmany times,I now know that and take it into account.When dealing with the bigger shops,several people are using the boresighter,and none of them isusually familiar with it.They blindlytrust that the arbors and grid are true,and the result is ascope that often is not even on the paper at 100 yards.While a boresight should never besubstituted for a proper sight in,I am always on the paper at 100 yards and usuallywithinthree or four inchesof the bullseye.

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Hard headed or not, if he's tough enough, determined enough, and wealthy enough to shoot 3 boxes of 300 ultra mags, there has to be some hope for the dude. If you help him through thisand he's successful in the field you've done a good thing, Crew Dawg! Good Luck!

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300 mag?! What does he think he's on safari? You did say Georgia deer didn't ya? For those little things he's way over-gunned. - maybe a .22 short or good pellet gun (LOL - JJ).

You're on the right track. Start closer and have someone else along to donate a shoulder and seperate perspective. Some guys screw things up (literally) when they start cranking on adjustment screws the wrong way. Who knows what he's done.

Have to recommend some reduced recoil ammo for the next sight-in session to get close and then some fine tune with the actual choice for hunting.

300 mag for Georgia deer? I gotta remember than one!!! The boys will love it! LOL

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Kinda, but most of them were willing to try it when I suggested that they start out at 25 yards instead of 100! (300 Ultra Mag? Georgia deer? I guess he doensn't like to EAT venison!!)

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I agree that if you do a decent job of boresighting, your bullet will USUALLY hit a decent-sized target at 100 yards, BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS TOO! However, I suspect that in this case, that rifle was NOT properly boresighted, either, and I'd bet that owner didn't know how to check this!

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And in order to do this the shooter has to be capable of decent groups at that distance as well. The weapon is never more accurate than the shooter.

I am a fairly decent shot, but I don't know how well I would group with that rifle. I have never shot one, but I would be a bit intimidated and it would probably effect my groups.

Paul

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22 shorthuh... Uncle Matt, i think you arejelious that we can take 12 a season.:D Some old boy killed one up around Atlanta 2-3 years ago that went 300+. They did a feature on him in Georgia Outdoor News. Supposadly years ago ourheards went way down. So they imported a bunch of western and Canandian animals. Ireckon some ofthosegeans are still floating around.We can hunt from the middle of Sept. to the first part on January too. As for being over gunned. It seems like every body today thinks that bigger and faster means better. I am not looking forward to dropping the hammer on that thing myself. At least they didn't come in a mountain rifle version.

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uhhh....wow...thats pretty bad. I knew all that before I could talk...


-Travis-

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Damn,I have taken several 300+lb deer and no one ever did a feature on me.Around here,you need a veryhigh scoringB&C buck or a 400lb deer to make the news.:)

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I live down in south Geaorgia. We say south not southern, because it is like a differant state. A good deer for us is 120 and a real good goes 150. My wifes cousin shot oneoff our property last season that green scored 157. It dressed out at 140. That Atlanta buck had a rack to fit it.

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A good Saskatchewan or Alberta buck willscore 150 or better,and a good mature buck will weigh around300lbs or more live weight.

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1. Artficial intelligence/objects are NO MATCH for human stupidity

2. This makes me glad I use Iron Sights

3. Ive hunted all around Georgia and have I'venever seen a chance fora 100 + yrd shot What part is he hunting at?

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Iron sights do not prevent stupidity either.I have seen people shoot many rounds trying to adjust iron sights.Some people have trouble understanding which way to drive the front or rear sights.

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1. Is that a Jell-O product? (I certainly would not be jealous of taking that many deer - I don't need that much meat. What would 12 Georgia deer net? About 300 pounds? LOL)

2. Of course they did a feature on him. Because that is WAY OFF THE NORM!

3. Supposedly? Well is it true or not?

4. geans? Is that like a bean in Levi's?

5. Do you know TDWW? Relation maybe? He is the only other person (?) that seems to believe otherwise. It is a fact that the further south you go the smaller the body size of animals. I forget what the scientific wording for it is. Any scientists out there.

I don't think I'm alone in thinking a 300 mag is overkill for smaller bodied southern whitetails - that is all.

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Iron sights do not prevent stupidity either.I have seen people shoot many rounds trying to adjust iron sights.Some people have trouble understanding which way to drive the front or rear sights.

Let me add one to that

#4 Makes me glad my sites are DEAD ON! (But if they werernt I can resight my gun with no probs)

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O.K. spell check doesn't work. It was still a big flippin' deer. And i don't know for, but i am not calling the old man told me that a lier.

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Maybe he has never been shown the proper sighting technique. Take him and show him how.

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300 UM might not be too big for southern whitetails, but it is too big for most southern whitetail hunters.

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I have a good bore sighter and I always use it. I still fire my first shot at 25 yards and its usually within one inch. I am not going to blast away five or ten shots at a distant target then end up moving it in closer. Thats just How I do it.